My updated list of reasons why World of Warcraft is a terrible game.

[bikkebakke]

Re: My updated list of reasons why World of Warcraft is a terrible game.

There are 2 big factors of why I am anti-WoW.

1: The stupid, STUPID people that play that game. Granted, the entire population aren't complete idiots, but the vast majority are.

2: The lack of story. FFXI has a great story everywhere you turn. From missions, to job and af quests. I didn't find anything interesting storywise in WoW and I got all the way to 60 doing as much as possible.

[Coinspinner]

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Hmm. I always found the "story" in FFXI to be constrained to the missions and totally seperate from general gameplay. I don't recall quests having any interesting plots, just a smattering of uninspiring "lore".

Bad American cartoon look and good Japanese Anime look are two completely different things. =/

There's a lot of variety in the animation of both cultures, and both have a wide range of quality. WoW's look has a heavy "anime" influence anyway. Witness the long floppy ears on the elves and the huge shoulder pads.

I like both games' art styles. I would have liked WoW's art if the models weren't all slack-jawed and vapid. I would have like FFXI's more if they hadn't used weren't so many damn glowing orbs, sparks, arcs, and other flashy crap in every animation.

[Kagerou]

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I like both games' art styles. I would have liked WoW's art if the models weren't all slack-jawed and vapid. I would have like FFXI's more if they hadn't used weren't so many damn glowing orbs, sparks, arcs, and other flashy crap in every animation.

I think you have it the other way around.

[Coinspinner]

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I'm sure I don't.

[Blood Red Poet]

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The biggest difference WoW vs FFXI.

If you don't do instances and PvP, there is nothing to do in WoW.

If you don't do Dynamis, camp Jeuno HNMs, camp Kings(imo, equal to all of WoW's instances) and PvP, there is still a to do in FFXI.

People in BG usually are people who whored themselves out to FFXI's endgame, like live it. If you don't live in FFXI's end-game, you will like it a lot more. Too bad for WoW, their PvP is like FFXI's endgame and their end-game is like FFXI's (older) Dynamis(zzz). Majority of BG think WoW sucks, but complain a lot about FFXI. There WoW forums are empty about 80% of the time, while there is always +10-12 people on their FFXI forums, excluding dozens of guests.

However, I will be reactivating my account once they make towns raidable again. That was the dumbest fix that game ever did.

[evilmegaman]

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Hmmm I don't like world of warcraft at all. For one thing I never liked any warcraft game. I don't like the story and I don't like that it feels like the only players are people new to MMORPG's. I think FFXI's just a lot funner to play because it doesn't look stupid and it feels magical not like WoW where it feels like a loony toons...

[DakAttack]

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These are brought to you by logic, reasoning, and my good friend Hellexicon:

• They've been "cataloging" the same bugs since the begginning of beta, yet most of them go unfixed. It's not uncommong to be plagued by a string of bugs that can easily ruin hours of game play.
• Battlegrounds is plagued by persistant, non-stop problems. Not only are you battling the opposing side, but you're also fighting it out with thick and troublesome lag. For reasons listed below players can attack you with melee skills from absurd distances.
• Poor coding results in poor game play. You can actually see the game's mechanics just by how the game plays in different situations. So far it seems that data is sent to a player; lagged data, erroneous data, any data; which forms the world around that player, and from which he reacts. He/She reacts on the bad data sent to him, which is relayed and accepted by the server. The data probably includes an identifier that validates "legit" data.
• Twinks (yes I realize I've already commented on twinks but he wanted to chime in) ruin BG game play 100%. Why would you want to put an easy game on an easier mode? It's sad that these players are even able to replace intelligence, strategy, and tactics with simple armor stats. There's nothing more evident of a poor quality game than this.
• Poor enviroment mechanics. Lava eats normal players up, but enemies can jump in and jump out unharmed. Pathing is horrible as well. Certain enemies jump up cliffs and such while others take the long route. The same goes for player pets as well, they'll jump down certain edges with you but at others they'll take the long way down.
• This has much to do with the enviroment, but graphics as well. Grass was commonly used by developers to denote where a player could and couldn't walk up a hill. You see, grass doesn't grow on verticle cliffs and certain other steep angles. In WoW the grass textures are splattered all over the hills without a thought. Maybe when they figure out how to make an actual cliff they can use this information more wisely.

So that's all he sent me to contribute, thanks Hellexicon (next time don't make me piece together your ideas like a puzzle, kthx). I'll add as well:

The problems in WoW are too numerous to count, but you all know I've tried. Unfortuntely this plays well for Blizzard because people continuously forget about them until they reappear five minutes later. Their biggest problem is that they gloat about how many people they've attracted to the MMORPG market. We must ask ourselves why they weren't already playing MMORPGs, and when we do we'll find that they lacked certain qualities that most games required. What is this quality you ask? Intellegence, reasoning, logic, and several others. Why is lowering the intellectual requirements for an industry seen as an accomplishment? It certainly isn't, and the major problem I see is that they claim to be something better than they actually are. World of Warcraft is the Dr. Seuss of the MMORPG market, but Dr. Seuss doesn't try to compare itself to Pat Conroy or other writers of higher caliber (Sorry, couldn't think of any others). Dr. Seuss understands that his book is for children, where Blizzard doesn't understand the difference. WoW is the addition mathmatics of the MMORPG market; simple, cold, easily mastered by the youngest of young. There are other games out there that could be compared to Trig or Calculus; flashy, complicated, even the sharper tools in the shed couldn't cut it.


That's all for your latest installment folks!


Edit: I'm going to beat on my chest some more...

You hardcore ffxi lovers will simply never get it, because you have to justify all the time you have wasted. It's ok, it really is, BTW WoW servers are exploding with new toons, howis FFXI doing?

FFXI doesn't explode with "toons" because of this fancy job changing system. This allows us to play one and only one character without having to create a new one every single time we want a new exerpience. REVOLUTIONARY!!!

You wait just as much in World of Warcraft. Waiting for ship or boat, waiting to ressurect in a graveyard, waiting for your character to reach your dead body to ressurect there, waiting for yourself to heal, waiting for a group for an instance nobody does anymore because lower level population is almost nonexistant, waiting for people just to get to the instance once you find a party because people are extremely slow or just don't know where it is, waiting in a queue just to play on a server, waiting for your characters to load up onto the screen after waiting in the queue, waiting for the lag to stop, waiting in a queue for BG, waiting for the idiots in your party to stop fighting, waiting for the retarded chuck norris jokes to stop, waiting for Blizzard to GET A CLUE... etc... etc... etc.... etc...

[aegina]

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o.O omg, this thread is still alive???

*beats the thread* die, thread, die!!

dude, it's one thing to post a list of reasons why you didn't like a game, or to post a list of problems with a game a lot of people play, but you're just hating.

i have a friend who plays wow. he doesn't have enough time to play a game like everquest or ffxi so he plays wow and he enjoys it.

two days ago i logged on to ffxi. it took me 4 and a half hours online to get a party. it took us another hour to find a suitable camp and pull the first mob. i pulled 4 mobs, and as i was pulling the fifth one, the tank d/c's and we have to zone. it takes us 20 minutes to replace him, after we let him be gone for 15 minutes to make sure he wasn't coming back. i pull two more mobs and the healer of our pt somehow pulls hate and dies. she disbands and homepoints out of frustration. we replace her and the blm who has to go. then we are finally able to xp.
almost six hours of work online before we can start to xp. six hours. and that was a normal pt, too. let's not mention we only xp'd for two hours before the tank had to leav and we had to disband.

dude, i like this game, too, but if you're trying to say ffxi doesn't have any problems at all, then open your eyes >.>. not many people can spend 7+ hours online just to spend 2 hours xping. this game is good, but it just takes waaaay too much time for most people to play. wow doesn't have this problem. in wow, you can play whenever you want because of the novel solo option.

wow is popular for 2 reasons. first of all, anyone can play it, no matter how much time you have each day to play. if ou only have 20 minutes to be online, cool! you'll still be able to get something done. try getting something done in ffxi with only 20 minutes a day to play. i don't think you'll get very far...
the second reason wow is so popular is because anyone can play it, no matter how much experience with mmo's you may have. the game is an introductory game. it's quick and easy to pick up and get the hang of. it doesn't require arduous amounts of time and work to learn how to play and get things accomplished. the npc's who have something important are marked so they're easy to find. that way, you don't have to spend time looking for them, and you can spend your time online doing other things (like enjoying the experience of playing a game online with millions of other people, for example)

most of wow's problems stem from the fact that they have too many people playing it. that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game itself. ffxi has been around for a lot longer than wow has, it makes sense that it would have a bit more content. but the massive ammount of time and work it takes to reach that content is too much trouble for most people.

i think i've said enough... there's nothing wrong with wow, it's just not for you. it's not for me either, but that doesn't mean i'm going to start making up reasons to hate it.

[Manatra]

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What Aegina said is true.

Just let the thread die Impaction; lest you make yourself look more the fool.

[Jei]

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while I was back in thailand, I talked to a bunch of my online gaming friends and found out they have gathered togather in WoW server Kargath. They asked me to join and play with them, so I decided to give it a try.

I reinstalled the game, reactivated my account, loaded the patch for 6 hours and log into the game. Selected Kargath server, customizing my toon and clicked create.

"This race/job creation is disabled at this time."

WTF.

So I went to their official forums and found a thread saying blizzard was monitoring the realm stability and decided to disable character creation on a bunch of realms. Because they are having queue and lag problem so much.

I was so angry and from the forum, tons of new players seemed to be the same way. After a lot of complaints, a couple days later blizzard put the information in the log in screen.

"We will evaluate the decision to enable character creation on Friday, 27th."

ok. That was on Monday so 4 days eh? I waited.

On Friday 27th, the message changed to "we will re-evaluate our decision on Saturday, 28th."

WTF #2. ok so I waited. And on Saturday "we will re-evaluate our decision on Monday, 30th."

WTF #3. At this time Blizzard used their community managers to post on their forum that they are upgrading the neccesity hardware to support more players. Therefore they are getting ready to enable character creation. Fine, I waited again.

next update came by, they said they will "re-evaluate our decision on Tuesday 31st"

WTF #4. waited again. They gave NO update on tuesday.

Wednesday evening, the news said

"We have evaluate our decision and decided we will keep it disabled."

So, 2 weeks of my subscription wasted. I couldn't even get on the same server my friends are on. That's it. I deleted the game and unsubscribe again. And I don't care to touch blizzard's games ever again. I was so dissapointed and angry.

Oh, while I was waiting I created a char on their 2 day-old server they openned. And for fuking sake, the item loot lag that had existed since Beta still happenned!! On a freaking new server aged only 2 days.

0/10. Go to hell WoW.

[Manatra]

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Well, they're letting you create a new character on Monday Jei

[aegina]

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that would fall under "most of wow's problems are caused by too many people playing."

...which is not to say that wouldn't suck, but still...

sorry you got frustrated, jei...

[Enialas]

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that loot bug is still there? O.O

one time after waiting a long time, not being able to do anything and my character in "loot mode" i quit and restarted. it fixed it, till the next time I went to loot. after 5 hours the GM replied, via the game mail system. (equivelant of having to goto your MH to get the message)

"please quit and restart the program"

sorry to hear about your troubles Jei, I know that sucked.

the 1st server update i did the normal "server migration" but i went to a different server type, to bring some sort of meaning to it, (since I wanted to play on the 3 server types anyways) despite how "intersting" this experience was, the next server maintenence I turned on FFXI and got my carby ruby.

when i realized how long I'd been playing FFXI again, I decided I'd better xfer my stuff to my friends, my 3 month period was already over.

when I opened my WoW account I was 30rdm, 12whm and 7 blm. no jobs unlocked

after comming back (after that 2nd server maintenence) I am:
68rdm 38whm 37blm 21smn 14thf 9pld/war/mnk drg3, all jobs unlocked

most people I started with are 70+ (with some exceptions) because I try to quest/explore over xp. (sneak & Invisible + Refresh = ) what i'm saying is, it's been a very long time since I installed and then left WoW.

[DakAttack]

Re: My updated list of reasons why World of Warcraft is a terrible game.

Rofl, I remembered another point to add to the list, one that's ALWAYS bugged me.

How does the Deeprun Tram, that runs from Stormwind to Ironforge, only travel east when Ironforge is to the north? What exactly is that body of water you pass through? If the devs got lazy and didn't bother pointing the tram in the right direction, where would you find such a body of water within the Searing Gorge?

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: My updated list of reasons why World of Warcraft is a terrible game.

Rofl, I remembered another point to add to the list, one that's ALWAYS bugged me.

The fact that you can run off hills and cliffs in certain areas yet get stuck on barely visible bumps in the terrain in 90% of other areas.

See, easy to play the, "LoLZ I founD teH Lax ov ReALism in tEH FanTaZee MMoG11!"