Maybe alcoholic beverages are unhealthy?

[MrMageo]

Re: Maybe alcoholic beverages are unhealthy?

Feba (god save me) pretty much summed it up. Its that age old thing where it is not the product it is the user, (guns dont kill people, people kill people.) Now what I never understood however is why we all have the option to choose to drink alcohol, and hurt ourselves or families or others(if it becomes a problem) but we also do not have that option for pot or the like. I have never heard of anyone killing a family being high and driving.

It just seems odd that I ca freely go get a case of beer get hammered throw up on myself, or someone else, but I have to smoke my weed inconspicuously. Of course I blame the US governments total anal attitude towards it, thus making it still illegal in Canada, we might be our own country, we might be free, but if big brother says we don't want you to do that, we usually don't.

[Jarre]

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There has been a link to proove that smoking weed then driving is jsut as dangerous as alacahol which is why they can drug test you now using various methods.

One of the Uk campaigns.

BBC NEWS | UK | Drug-driving campaign is launched

In the last 2 years their has been a 26% increase in fatalities caused by drivers under the influence of drugs, their just as bad and in some cases worse than alcahol for how they affect your judgement and driving.

[Ziero]

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Feba (god save me) pretty much summed it up. Its that age old thing where it is not the product it is the user, (guns dont kill people, people kill people.) Now what I never understood however is why we all have the option to choose to drink alcohol, and hurt ourselves or families or others(if it becomes a problem) but we also do not have that option for pot or the like. I have never heard of anyone killing a family being high and driving.

It just seems odd that I ca freely go get a case of beer get hammered throw up on myself, or someone else, but I have to smoke my weed inconspicuously. Of course I blame the US governments total anal attitude towards it, thus making it still illegal in Canada, we might be our own country, we might be free, but if big brother says we don't want you to do that, we usually don't.

Simple, it's easier to just say "No you can't have it" then to give someone something and then take it away when they screw things up. The only reason why Beer and Smoking is still perfectly legal is because they can't make it illegal. They tried before, caused more problems then it fixed.

Also, this entire topic is stupid and that youtube video was terrible.

[MrMageo]

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well look who started it. Meow (i did it rite right)

[cidbahamut]

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our "Binge drinking culture"

This is the only problem. As most folks have said, it's all about taking things in moderation. Some people can, others aren't so fortunate.

[Taskmage]

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There has been a link to proove that smoking weed then driving is jsut as dangerous as alacahol which is why they can drug test you now using various methods.

There are also studies that show drivers who have been awake for over 17 hours perform as poorly as drivers who are over the legal alcohol limit, and that as many as 60% of accidents involve sleep deprivation. That doesn't make it ok for the government to monitor your sleeping habits and mandate limits on daily consciousness. What we're talking about in either case is a failure on the part of individuals to stay within healthy boundaries when going about their public life, not some moral or ethical fault on the part of alcohol, marijuana or being awake.

[Jarre]

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In the Uk we have information sides above the motorways telling drivers to take a break. Also if you cause an accident due to being tired you can be arrested for dangerous driving.

[MrMageo]

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Exactly, the government should have no right what I do to myself, they do have a right to protect others, but a law can be broken. Hell if the govt made drugs legal and sold them in a semi controlled way than they would reap more money to spend on things people actually care about like health care, education, and employment.

California seems to understand that....not to mention the amount of wasted money keeping these "criminals" in prison for usin marijuana, or cocaine, or heroin, or etc etc etc. The average cost is nearly 35K a year for a prisoner, that means these people soak up more money than nearly 100 million americans make in a year.

It is stupid to allow alcohol to be legal, but not other "drugs" hell marijuana, and cocaine, come from plants just like booze, they aren't even a manufactured drug, they grow naturally, and were used as medicines for years.

As for the laws in the States I can own a hand gun, but if my neighbor shoots someone does that make me a potential shooter too. Just because their is a small % of people who consume these things (booze, drugs) and freak out and do stupid shit, does no mean the other 90% of people who do it, will as well.

I think George Carlin says it best.....

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaa9iw85tW8"]YouTube- George Carlin -Rights and Privileges[/nomedia] (around 7:55)

basically sums up what you think you have as rights......

[DakAttack]

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As it stands, kids and teenagers and wired for taking risks. Their brains are still developing and are extremely susceptible chemical influences. This development continues until around age twenty-four. Most drugs will negatively effect brain development during this period, weed and alcohol included.

I see restrictive laws as a way to keep the people healthy. Where would we be now if people had open access to a plethora of mind-altering chemicals in the past? Would we have lost a few key minds in the development of our country? Where is our future if everybody is getting high every night, waking up at noon the next day, and has to get high again just to even out?

Weed will most likely be legalized, because, just like alcohol, the government just can't stop people from using it. I just hope it doesn't become another way for people to ruin their lives.

[MrMageo]

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I kind of call BS on that, Ive used marijuana and drank booze since i was 14, I also have 2 degrees, and am working on getting my third, I have and run my own company, and have never had a grade below 85%. Once again, you can't just blanket statement things like that, it comes down to a per person basis, some people let it control them others do not. Myself I have always found that weed helps me focus more, it blocks out everything distracting and lets me focus on what I am most interested in. Often times this is research projects, assignments, work, or play. I hardly find that it has affected my judgment or knowledge.

Hell it even led me to create a self contained growing unit. A 100% automated hydro system, I only need to check it to ensure that the plants are mturing properly, otherwise using, PLC's I wired a control system that controls heating/lighting, and watering, as well as fertilzation/watering mix.

Now maybe I am an exception to the study, or maybe the study is just more govt BS that tries to curb public opinion to certain things.

[cidbahamut]

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Hyperbole is fun isn't it Dak?

[Malacite]

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If I remember correctly they did ban it once, but there was a huge retaliation about it.

Prohibition in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[DakAttack]

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I kind of call BS on that, Ive used marijuana and drank booze since i was 14, I also have 2 degrees, and am working on getting my third, I have and run my own company, and have never had a grade below 85%. Once again, you can't just blanket statement things like that, it comes down to a per person basis, some people let it control them others do not. Myself I have always found that weed helps me focus more, it blocks out everything distracting and lets me focus on what I am most interested in. Often times this is research projects, assignments, work, or play. I hardly find that it has affected my judgment or knowledge.

Hell it even led me to create a self contained growing unit. A 100% automated hydro system, I only need to check it to ensure that the plants are mturing properly, otherwise using, PLC's I wired a control system that controls heating/lighting, and watering, as well as fertilzation/watering mix.

Now maybe I am an exception to the study, or maybe the study is just more govt BS that tries to curb public opinion to certain things.

It's not a study, it's fact based on research. This is SCIENCE. At any point in time when a person floods their brain with neurotransmitters their neurons will down-regulate, meaning they decrease the amount of receptor sites available through that specific synapse. Not only does this mean you'll need more drugs to achieve the same effect, but you'll have an overall decrease in binding when you're not doing drugs. This means you'll have to do the drug just to get back to a normal condition, which explains the bolded part.

How does this effect developing brains? If at any point you trick that brain into thinking it has more neurotransmitters in an area undergoing critical development that down-regulation will heavily interfere with proper maturation.

[Neverslip]

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Moderation is a great thing.

Alcohol And Health

In addition I heard about a study via a radio show (can't find this myself) that said victims of head trauma are more likely to live because the brain doesn't expand as much due to the alcohol and therefor does not get squished by expanding into the skull.

But overuse or abuse of any substance is not without detrimental side effects.

Vaporize and legalize... but moderately please.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Personally, I don't drink. I just can't stand the taste of beer or wine. I could probably do a cider, but I can get that without alcohol too.

The way I see it, i can drink and smoke or I can play video games. I once asked someone how many packs a day he did, how much each pack cost, saw he was spending $2,500 a year on smoking alone. Probably even more now since there have been even more taxes applied. It removed any temptation that might have been there.

I think its bullshit that smoking gets targeted for more taxes all, but a drug like alcohol that can impair your driving, maybe drive you to beat your wife or kids or rob you of motivation should be taxed more. Both habits seem to spawn their fair share of litterbugs at any rate, but the psychological consequences of drinking are a bit more widely varied. People who haven't had a smoke for a bit just get edgy.