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[Malacite]

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I'm fairly sure batman tried to pull him up but he lost his grip?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Batman tried to save the joker, but couldn't in the end and I forget how the Penguin died in the second but it was still inadvertant. If anything Begins was far worse in that respect with the single line "I'm not going to kill you but that doesn't mean I have to save you" at the end with Ghul. In the Burton ones, the deaths were unavoidable, in Begins, he just let him die.

Keaton Bats did not try to save the Joker, he plummeted like a rock.

As for Ghul... for all we know he survived. I mean, he's Ra's Al Ghul, he can come back from anything he wants. Lazurus Pit, baby!

[Caspian]

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True, I think his Batman voice is over the top, but I really like his Bruce Wayne, and that always counted for a lot in regards to Batman.

[Ziero]

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Tim Burton just remembered the "Dark" and forgot about the "Knight" part. Batman doesn't kill and yet somehow, Joker and Penguin just happened to get killed inadvertantly.

The Batman of the comics doesn't kill. Its a big emphasis of the character in both recent movies. These movies are by far the most true to the source material in character and that's what really matters.

Batman tried to save the joker, but couldn't in the end and I forget how the Penguin died in the second but it was still inadvertant. If anything Begins was far worse in that respect with the single line "I'm not going to kill you but that doesn't mean I have to save you" at the end with Ghul. In the Burton ones, the deaths were unavoidable, in Begins, he just let him die.

Joker's origin might be different from that of the comics, but the character was dead-on from The Killing Joke, which Ledger used as his inspiration for the character.

And let me tell ya, that's probably one of the most dark and twisted Joker stories of them all. Its so pivotal that it still is relevant to the DC Universe today in many ways.

I was kinda surprised that the movie got the rating it did. Joker was just that twisted in this flick. If you didn't think this movie was dark enough, you need to get a new concept of the term. Ledger's Joker could give Hannibal Lecter the willies.

I can't disagree with this, Ledger's Joker was down right evil. I love how they explained his intentions as being more then just money, power and control, but something deeper and twisted that only a truely disturbed mind could desire. Especially since, when it's all said and done, he pretty much achieves his goal. Even if no one knows about it.

And the film squeeked by with a PG-13 due to a lack of blood and gore. Notice that not even when people get shot, stabbed or impaled with writing implaments, there was no blood. Not even after the acid incident.

I was referring specifically to Begins and the 2 before it (I still haven't seen the Dark Knight. Don't ask why, I just have not gotten around to it for some reason)

And their deaths were nicely scripted I found. Good luck topping Devtio's performance as penguin.

Oh and Michael Keaton pwns all. 'nuff said. (Well, except maybe Kevin Conroy but he was only the voice talent, albeit the best damned one evar.)

Oh, well that explains it. You pretty much have no clue what you're talking about then :p

Nobody here will ever defend the Forever/B&R because they were made in all the wrong ways with all the wrong intentions. But TDK is so far removed from them it's not even a comparison. It'd be like comparing the 70's West Batman to Burton's vision, it's just that different. Though now that you've read, well, any kind of spoilers, about TDK the experiance may be lessened for you somewhat. But it was a film that was literally very dark, very disturbing and genuinely kept me guessing throughout it's duration. Though I could see some things coming, there were still many surprises, both good and bad, that kept it interesting.

And really, you can't say the new Batman movies aren't dark until after you watch this film.
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I liked Michael Keaton as Batman, honestly have to say I like Christian Bale as much, if not more.

Honestly, the "Bat-voice" ruins it for me as far as Bale is concerned. It's just like he's trying too hard.

[Caspian]

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I was referring specifically to Begins and the 2 before it (I still haven't seen the Dark Knight. Don't ask why, I just have not gotten around to it for some reason)

And their deaths were nicely scripted I found. Good luck topping Devtio's performance as penguin.


Oh and Michael Keaton pwns all. 'nuff said. (Well, except maybe Kevin Conroy but he was only the voice talent, albeit the best damned one evar.)

Well, yeah. Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were fucking terrible. And no, Batman Begins wasn't near as dark as The Dark Knight, but it had its moments. Bruce plans on killing Joe Chill, the creeped out hallucinations people had when exposed to Scarecrow's fear drug. There was a lot of dark stuff in that movie, it was just overshadowed by the fact that that majority of the movie was backstory, setting up what is to come and explaning why things are the way they are.

Devito: People said the same thing about Nicholson and the Joker.

I liked Michael Keaton as Batman, honestly have to say I like Christian Bale as much, if not more.

[Malacite]

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I was referring specifically to Begins and the 2 before it (I still haven't seen the Dark Knight. Don't ask why, I just have not gotten around to it for some reason)

And their deaths were nicely scripted I found. Good luck topping Devtio's performance as penguin.


Oh and Michael Keaton pwns all. 'nuff said. (Well, except maybe Kevin Conroy but he was only the voice talent, albeit the best damned one evar.)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I didn't care at all for Batman Begins honestly.

I still think the best by far (aside from the original comics by Bob Kane, god rest his soul ) was the animated series. All the talent was just so damned good in that, and it was surprisingly dark (which is something the last movies have lacked; Tim Burton really captured the dark aspect of the comics which is the very soul of Batman; It's SUPPOSED to be Dark, not your traditional happy-go-lucky super hero crap)

Tim Burton just remembered the "Dark" and forgot about the "Knight" part. Batman doesn't kill and yet somehow, Joker and Penguin just happened to get killed inadvertantly.

The Batman of the comics doesn't kill. Its a big emphasis of the character in both recent movies. These movies are by far the most true to the source material in character and that's what really matters. Joker's origin might be different from that of the comics, but the character was dead-on from The Killing Joke, which Ledger used as his inspiration for the character.

And let me tell ya, that's probably one of the most dark and twisted Joker stories of them all. Its so pivotal that it still is relevant to the DC Universe today in many ways.

I was kinda surprised that the movie got the rating it did. Joker was just that twisted in this flick. If you didn't think this movie was dark enough, you need to get a new concept of the term. Ledger's Joker could give Hannibal Lecter the willies.

[Ziero]

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I didn't care at all for Batman Begins honestly.

I still think the best by far (aside from the original comics by Bob Kane, god rest his soul ) was the animated series. All the talent was just so damned good in that, and it was surprisingly dark (which is something the last movies have lacked; Tim Burton really captured the dark aspect of the comics which is the very soul of Batman; It's SUPPOSED to be Dark, not your traditional happy-go-lucky super hero crap)

While I can understand not being a fan of the new films....how can you say they're not dark?

[Lmnop]

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Macabre in that Tim Burton way, sure I'll give you that. But so far from realistic. So obviously fantastical. Never intended to be taken seriously. When I think of the Tim Burton Batman, I think more of the word "tale". The new movies are bent on the concept of simply not being far-fetched.

And where do you get the idea that these last couple haven't been at all dark? You know, there are 2 girls in my office that couldn't sleep the night they saw it. We're talking people in their 20s! And one of them doesn't normally have a problem with horror movies! That's when I realized just how good of a job Mr. Ledger did at being creepy.

Honestly, Malacite. You're not happy that the Joker used face paint instead of it actually being his skin? I think maybe you just desire the more fantastical and I favor the more theoretical.

[Malacite]

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I didn't care at all for Batman Begins honestly.

I still think the best by far (aside from the original comics by Bob Kane, god rest his soul ) was the animated series. All the talent was just so damned good in that, and it was surprisingly dark (which is something the last movies have lacked; Tim Burton really captured the dark aspect of the comics which is the very soul of Batman; It's SUPPOSED to be Dark, not your traditional happy-go-lucky super hero crap)

[TheGrandMom]

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Grief, if it's that important to have an older Catwoman, why doesn't someone just call up Julie Newmar? It's not like she's done anything major since the TV show.

*snicker*

Ya they could just wrap her cane in fur. LOL

[Kitalrez]

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Grief, if it's that important to have an older Catwoman, why doesn't someone just call up Julie Newmar? It's not like she's done anything major since the TV show.

[Lmnop]

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I really like Batman Begins.

I think The Dark Knight may be the best super hero movie I've ever seen.

I think a 3rd will likely be mediocre, at best. I think more villains like the Riddler (If I'm not telling Jokes I'm telling Riddles. Now all of our villains are far too thematic) will just detract from the realism built by the previous 2. The whole point of Batman Begins was to create a situation where on a psychological level, it would actually make sense for someone to don a black costume with pointy ears.

If they were to make a 3rd and do it well... they'll need more than just "new bad guys". It's my belief that their original intention was to keep the Joker around. And they may, yet. But good luck to them in finding a replacement.

Also, even if they do pull in the Riddler... while Johnny Depp would probably make a good one, I must say it sounds like he'd just be playing the same roles over and over again. Take some of Charlie from his Chocolate Factory and marinate it for a while in some Jack Sparrow (who was already a sober, yet insane Hunter S. Thompson clone) and voila! A thoroughly unoriginal character!

[Ziero]

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As bad as the movie was, Jim Carey was the perfect Riddler. Just needs a better script.

Like I said, the guy just needed a better script (mind you, pretty much every villain in batman is batshit crazy in their own unique way)

It's too bad it's not Depp actually. He was so wonderfully coy as Jack Sparrow and would have made quite an interesting Riddler.

I never liked Carey as the Riddler. The Riddler was a super genious, not some insane asshat. You want a kickass Riddler, check out Batman:TAS.

I'd hope a movie with the Riddler would be kinda like Ocean's Eleven Vs. The Dark Knight. A caper. Considering how The Dark Knight ended, Batman trying to thwart a heist while being on the run himself would be a rather interesting story and much more realistic than taking on someone like Ra's or the Joker again.

In the last two movies, you've put Batman up against what are arguably his biggest archenemies. Ra's was about controlled chaos and manipulation while the Joker was about total anarchy. It would probably be difficult to do other heavyweights like Hush or Bane at this point, so I think the Riddler would be a good pick overall.

I'd totally agree with that, though you are forgetting about Two-Face, who was also a major villain and as far as I'm concerned was handled excellently in TDK. But if they do a sequel with Riddler terrorizing the city with his puzzles while Catwoman runs loose doing what she does, it would work well for me. It'll be near impossible to get back to the depths that TDK hit, but it would still allow for a believable, entertaining story line that further blurred the lines of good and evil.

I tend to worry when I hear a multiple villian plot in a superhero movie. It was the downfall to Spiderman 3 and other Batman movies. Nothing stole the show from the Joker and that's the way most superhero movies should be, though Superman movies could stand to do a little more than Lex Luthor.

Just one point I'd like to make on this, Spiderman 3 was ruined by the fact that the director was pretty much forced into using the black suit/Venom arc while absolutely hating the concept and the character. The Sandman, outside of his sob story, and the "Goblin" were handled fine, but everything even having anything to do with the black suit was just a horrible horrible mess. Mainly because the guy making it hated everything about it, and it showed. It had so much potential to be awesome while setting up the rumored 4th(technically 6 were rumored) one that has been flying around for so long. If it used the Sandman and Goblin in the right ways, combined with the beginnings of the Black Suit arc, it could have easily left off with the creation of Venom and allowed the 4th movie to have an excellent start. But because the 3rd sucked so bad, there most likely won't even be a 4th.

Plus the dance scene was retarded.

[Nuriko]

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(mind you, pretty much every villain in batman is batshit crazy in their own unique way)

Can you really say Batman himself is all that well-adjusted?