Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

[Aksannyi]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

Lol. The game should have a facepalm. WOW HAS IT.

Kingfury is super annoying and his sig, which was at one point kind of cute, is irritating because of how many times in a row that guy like, sextuple posts in his threads. EDIT. FUCKTARD.

Also, he seems to think that some new system is that gyms thing he suggested, without any evidence to back that up. And even if it were somewhat similar, he can't fucking claim ownership of the idea anyway, because I guarantee if the devs were working on something like that, they'd have been working on it more than the month that the forums have been active. Holy shit though, that guy is getting a big head.

As for Krystal ... beyond help. I'm actually losing braincells due to repeated /headdesk.

[Shirai]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

Ah the many reasons I refuse to even consider making an account there...
The retardedness of a lot of people in that place is just mindnumbing.

[Kailea]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

Well it is the official forums of an MMORPG, hell look at WoWs forums -.- but yeah that place is bad, but sometimes I can't help but post something there ;p

[Shirai]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

but sometimes I can't help but post something there ;p

That is what I am afraid of...

[Murphie]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

The WoW forums are at least regularly moderated. The FFXI forums are, much in the vein of past SE interaction, moderated with no explanation whatsoever, and quietly.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

The WoW forums are at least regularly moderated. The FFXI forums are, much in the vein of past SE interaction, moderated with no explanation whatsoever, and quietly.

You forgot that they offer no lines of communication through which to resolve grievances or disputes.

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One thing that really pisses me off about the FFXI community

ITT: ignoring 30 years of convention in movement control schemes totally doesn't count as being unintuitive. Also the countless tales of new players being unable to figure out how to move after logging in is most definitely a myth and not a sign of shitty game design.

[Aeni]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

One thing that really pisses me off about the FFXI community

ITT: ignoring 30 years of convention in movement control schemes totally doesn't count as being unintuitive. Also the countless tales of new players being unable to figure out how to move after logging in is most definitely a myth and not a sign of shitty game design.

Yeah I'm not sure why people get defensive about the UI. It's weird though ... you look at comments on public sites regarding that issue with Japanese players and even they complain about how horrid the design is and what a mess it was. The UI in FFXIV isn't much better but the new director is changing the culture over at SE and they are seeking to improve it by leaps and bounds w/o resorting to using the "PlayStation Limitation" excuse.

Here is that 4gamer interview, translated, with Naoki Yoshida a few months ago.

Part 1: Gamer Escape � Eorzeapedia � Blog Archive � 4Gamer Interview With Naoki Yoshida (Part 1)
Part 2: Gamer Escape � Eorzeapedia � Blog Archive � 4Gamer Interview With Naoki Yoshida (Part 2)
Part 3: Gamer Escape � Eorzeapedia � Blog Archive � 4Gamer Interview With Naoki Yoshida (Part 3)

In this interview, please keep in mind that Mr. Yoshida is also a gamer, so he has many years of experience from playing various MMOs, including WoW. So certainly, he knows his stuff, so anyone predicting that they'll change FFXIV into FFXI need to get slapped in the head as Mr. Yoshida will be the first to point out that there's a lot of shortcomings in that game as well.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

It is something you have to get used to, but it's not like it's a stellar UI. Yes, it's fine - and only fine - when you are used to it, but there are still a lot of issues with it even when you get used to the things that are unconventional about the game's UI. Like the macro lag and the inability to multitask - like type in the chatlog while being in your macros, or being able to change gear - even when automated through macros - while looking in a menu.

I bought this game from day 1 with a gamepad, and I never would have played more than an hour without it. When I finally figured how how movement worked without a controller - completely by accident, I might add - I realized that it was retarded. Mouse movement in FFXI is asstarded. And I still don't know if the game supports WASD or some other form of keyboard movement. And what's the first thing people are going to try with a PC MMO? WASD. It's really not very intuitive at all.

I just don't understand some of the people on the forum. Must be SE ass-kissers. I can admit that the game's UI was shit while still getting plenty of enjoyment out of it.

Oh well, mini-rant off. People are dumb and some of them are so incoherent I'm not sure how they manage to communicate at all.

[pieaholicx]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

And I still don't know if the game supports WASD or some other form of keyboard movement. And what's the first thing people are going to try with a PC MMO? WASD. It's really not very intuitive at all.

It is possible to use WASD for movement, it's just a little non-obvious. You have to go into Config -> Misc. 2 and change the keyboard type to Compact. I found this setting and have loved it ever since. It uses IJKL for camera movement.

[Murphie]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

I actually found the control scheme to be very intuitive once I read the instructions, but keep in mind, I had never played an MMO or a 3D computer game before.

YES I KNOW.

That said, using a controller can be very relaxing.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

Yeah, FFXI was my first, too. I didn't know any better until I explored other games. Then I realized how clunky it really was. It was still easy for me because I was used to it, but anyone who comes from another MMO is usually gonna be like, "Wtf is this."

[Elwynn]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

I bought this game from day 1 with a gamepad, and I never would have played more than an hour without it. When I finally figured how how movement worked without a controller - completely by accident, I might add - I realized that it was retarded. Mouse movement in FFXI is asstarded.

I started on PS2 and it wasn't more than a week before I just disconnected the fucking mouse and never let it touch the PS2 again. The worst part is that if you bump the mouse (especially an optical), it steals focus and shit.

It works okay with a controller, and I leave it at that.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

Played EQ for years with a mouse and keyboard and FFXI seemed unnatural for a week or so then I grew to love the controls. So much so, I struggle to play other MMOs that rely on mouse and keyboard now. I really don't get the complaint about FFXI PC controls, they're stupidly easy to master and it feels so natural having one method of control as opposed to one hand on the keyboard and one on the mouse.

The UI on the other hand is a pathetic piece of shit.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

I really don't get the complaint about FFXI PC controls, they're stupidly easy to master and it feels so natural having one method of control as opposed to one hand on the keyboard and one on the mouse.

It really boils down to "Why in god's name don't you use WASD or the arrow keys as the default configuration for moving your character?"

Seriously, numberpad? Who the fuck uses that shit? They did the same damn thing with the PC version of FFVII, it was fucking terrible.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Official FINAL FANTASY XI Forums Launch! (03/08/2011)

Everquest used the numpad to move and the mouse to look and target so I guess that was a help with FFXI. I played EQ again recently though and had to remap the movement to WASD. No idea how the hell I managed to use numpad and mouse for so long.