Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008) (OLD)

[Murphie]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

What about Dark Knight? Are you jealous or something? What does DRK have to do with RDM?

Yes, I've seen the merit spells. What of them? My feelings aren't hurt over the options we have in that area.

RDM doesn't need any loving. It already has a lot of love. And by saying you'd be happy with a nerf just so that we get a job specific update says a lot about your focus here.

[BurningPanther]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Rdm doesn't need a damn update. They need a nerf so burn parties centered around having RDM rather than WHM can crumble and the meleés can QQ over what they've lost.

There ya go.

[Sevv]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

There ya go.

I don't know I mean I had a blm in a party I know lol right and we did this cool thing called distortion and then like the blm casted something on the mob, and it wasn't like haste or cure! I didn't even know that their was spells that could damage!

/sigh

Lets just remove refresh from Rdm, that alone would make me grin as things burned down.

[Feba]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

at the same time as everybody else.

So you get plenty of nice things.

Your job is one of the most powerful and in demand in the game; and is very arguably broken.

What the hell are you complaining about?

If you want attention, buy a goddamn puppy.

[Sevv]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Oh btw before people talk about zomg burn parties, I burned tho Demons in Ulgath was fun as hell.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

And where would this "Ulgath" be, Sevv?

I think you mean Uleguerand Range

[Armando]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

If you don't see what's right about giving updates to jobs that need them over a job that doesn't, then something is seriously wrong with you.

I feel this is mostly moot since the most recent job adjustments, while all good things, were mainly non-essential. Retaliation is nifty, but WARs don't tank regularly. PLD certainly didn't need this new spell. NIN didn't need a Sneak spell. DRK probably would've been fine with just Absorb-TP, Dread Spikes and Drain II. While I AM tired of general RDM bitchery and any given person thinking they're entitled to this and that, it's certainly true that it's about time RDM got something, and giving SMN some incentive to keep avatars out is a more urgent issue than giving MNKs a different way to autoattack if you ask me.

[Murphie]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

I feel this is mostly moot since the most recent job adjustments, while all good things, were mainly non-essential. Retaliation is nifty, but WARs don't tank regularly. PLD certainly didn't need this new spell. NIN didn't need a Sneak spell. DRK probably would've been fine with just Absorb-TP, Dread Spikes and Drain II. While I AM tired of general RDM bitchery and any given person thinking they're entitled to this and that, it's certainly true that it's about time RDM got something, and giving SMN some incentive to keep avatars out is a more urgent issue than giving MNKs a different way to autoattack if you ask me.

I agree. I just felt it was the right counter to YMs assertion that RDM needs an update simply because everyone else has already got one, and no other reason.

[Mhurron]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

What the fuck does that mean?

Oh I don't know, maybe it means that it's nothing but whining from someone who's only reason RDM needs an update is it hasn't got one and everyone else has without backing up why an already well rounded job needs one.

I'm not allowed to say that SMNs need fixed because I don't have an idea how to make them better?

Oh feel free to do whatever you want, but with nothing more then just whining expect it to be dismissed out of hand by others.

Even if the only update we get in four-and-a-half-years was a nerf, I still wouldn't mind

Bullshit.

[Akashimo]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

it's certainly true that it's about time RDM got something, and giving SMN some incentive to keep avatars out is a more urgent issue than giving MNKs a different way to autoattack if you ask me.

Agreed.
Rdm: Something, idk anymore.
Smn: More avatar boosting JSE, all smn has is just the lvl 50, af and relic. Nothing for the 1-49 levels.
Mnk: Make h2h on monk and pup main considered 2 handed weapons. Seriously.

[Malacite]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

I agree. I just felt it was the right counter to YMs assertion that RDM needs an update simply because everyone else has already got one, and no other reason.

What's wrong with that though? 4+ years of nothing new doesn't strike you as the least bit crappy? It's nice to get something new, even if it's not needed. Now, yes SE has other things they should be focusing on but that's no excuse to completely neglect certain jobs, especially when jobs that really don't need certain upgrades (I'm looking at you Retaliation) get them anyway.

Honestly WAR's borderline broken as it is and didn't need this JA. Especially since it's too high level to really help with tanking and doesn't mitigate damage at all, which is WAR's biggest failing point when it comes to tanking.

And holy shit I can not wait to see how this new spell interacts with Aegis...


Lastly, there is 1 crappy part about this update; SE boosting the Category 2's to 5/10 destroys whatever possibility there may have been for SCH to merit for extra stratagem charges. No way in hell is SE going to give SCH 9 charges @75. My guess is more meritable spells that are accessed via Addendums (which, unlike the other retarded merit spells, is actually flavorful and makes sense)



EDIT: Fuck more JSE. Just make summoning magic skill do what it freaking should do; determine the relative stats and performance of your summons. No one else thinks it's silly that your avatars get better simply because you leveled up, allowing you to totally neglect your primary skill?

[Murphie]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

What's wrong with that though? 4+ years of nothing new doesn't strike you as the least bit crappy? It's nice to get something new, even if it's not needed.

Sure it's nice, but I'm not upset about not getting an update. If there was a concrete reason beyond "But it's been four years!" then I wouldn't see a problem. But that's not the case here.

[Icemage]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Just make summoning magic skill do what it freaking should do; determine the relative stats and performance of your summons. No one else thinks it's silly that your avatars get better simply because you leveled up, allowing you to totally neglect your primary skill?

How is that any sillier than Cure spells not needing Healing Magic? :p There's plenty of weirdness going on in the game.

Besides, I think the main reason nothing triggers off of Summoning Magic is that, for a very, very long time, Summoning Magic was second only to Guard in terms of difficulty in acquiring skillups.

If you had a lot of stuff actually work off of Summoning skill, you'd have Summoners everywhere moaning about how unfair it is that they have a slow-growing skill that defines how well they perform.


Icemage

[Feba]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

What's wrong with that though? 4+ years of nothing new doesn't strike you as the least bit crappy? It's nice to get something new, even if it's not needed.

Once again, if you want something nice and new that you don't need, buy a goddamn puppy. Just like an update, you'll be bored of it within a few months, if you haven't completely forgotten it!

The fact that SE hasn't felt it necessary to give you major changes is a good thing.

[Lmnop]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Oh feel free to do whatever you want, but with nothing more then just whining expect it to be dismissed out of hand by others.

Star Wars Galaxies is a perfect game. Because I have no clue where to even start to fix it.

Your logic is awesome.

Mnk: Make h2h on monk and pup main considered 2 handed weapons. Seriously.

Dear Lord, no. Monks don't need more damage.

...especially when jobs that really don't need certain upgrades (I'm looking at you Retaliation) get them anyway.

Spoken like a true DD-only Warrior.

Honestly WAR's borderline broken as it is and didn't need this JA. Especially since it's too high level to really help with tanking and doesn't mitigate damage at all, which is WAR's biggest failing point when it comes to tanking.

Well, ok. I'll give you this. I think Retaliation has a lot of potential... kinda like PUPs. "I could find a way to work this in... but I already know that X and Y other jobs can do it this way and I'm certain of the results."