Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

[Feba]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

OMG ITS THE END OF EVERYTHING!
There were so many things I still wanted to do in life.

I was hoping bbq would just stuff his foot in his mouth. Because Mithra putting their feet in their mouth is hot, somehow.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

Cor still doesn't get haste songs and is on par with brd unless they roll 11 or lucky roll but don't forget a bust is - effects.

Bust Penalty only affects the COR, PT members within the AoE effect simply lose the buff. That's not a minus effect for your allies, its not just a plus effect.

If Time Mage is a forthcoming job, I'm pretty sure COR will get a form or Haste or a Weapon Delay reduction buff. As it stands, Fighter's Roll and Samurai Roll seem to be getting kicked up a notch, so that alone could catch COR up on the melee buff side in regards to a lack of Haste, though it does nothing for spell recast timers, which is another reason Haste is desired.

Horde Lullaby!

BRD being able to sleep multiple mobs it merits is cute, but not necessary to achieve high chains. BRDs aren't relied on for this role in most BCNM/KS scenarios, though they can be wanted for this in Dynamis or Limbus. But guess what? That's really just to stall the mobs until BLMs or RDMs can put a more potent sleep on them. As a COR, I'm often requested to watch out for a specific NM in endgame situations and lock that one down with Light Shot so BLMs can watch the rest after they awaken from the first Sleepga II.

[Sevv]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

Bust Penalty only affects the COR, PT members within the AoE effect simply lose the buff. That's not a minus effect for your allies, its not just a plus effect.

Aye bye - effect I meant loss of the role, easy to misunderstand what I put my mistake.

If Time Mage is a forthcoming job, I'm pretty sure COR will get a form or Haste or a Weapon Delay reduction buff. As it stands, Fighter's Roll and Samurai Roll seem to be getting kicked up a notch, so that alone could catch COR up on the melee buff side in regards to a lack of Haste, though it does nothing for spell recast timers, which is another reason Haste is desired.

I don't know if Cor will get haste roll. They may get a fast cast roll if time mage is added to the game. If you give them all the same buffs then they lose their special qualities. Right now with this coming update they are basically on par, brd has the ability to sleep more mobs and light shot is potent, brd have easier time with multiple buffs cor does more damage. Either way we have a brd cor warx3 rdm party set for after the update lol. =D hi2u 35k/hr, with better buffs we should be able to break my 33k/hr topping out.

BRD being able to sleep multiple mobs it merits is cute, but not necessary to achieve high chains. BRDs aren't relied on for this role in most BCNM/KS scenarios, though they can be wanted for this in Dynamis or Limbus. But guess what? That's really just to stall the mobs until BLMs or RDMs can put a more potent sleep on them. As a COR, I'm often requested to watch out for a specific NM in endgame situations and lock that one down with Light Shot so BLMs can watch the rest after they awaken from the first Sleepga II.

Look at it this way bbq, if you have a bard and a cor alone send one mob at them, resist played in they sleep about the same, bard lower cast times and 2 songs. Cor has a more potent sleep but with 1 min cool down.

If you send now 2+ mobs at them:
Brd-> will sleep both and have a back up song
Cor-> Sleep one kite others eventually get hurt (faster then the brd 90% of the time)

In any alliance or more event, it really doesn't matter who has the more potent sleep. The point is to work together, brd sleeping groups with cor sleeping any mobs who may resist or wake up.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

If you send now 2+ mobs at them:
Brd-> will sleep both and have a back up song
Cor-> Sleep one kite others eventually get hurt (faster then the brd 90% of the time)

Its all about knowing your PT's killspeed and adjusting accordingly. With BRD and COR pulling its not just a matter of just pulling and sleeping, but when to pull as well. If I can know what mob HP to pull at and when my PT will kill the current mob, I can magage my shadows and Light Shot well enough to not get hit.

Anyway, people like to take the "MP Sponge" nonsense a bit too far, if you can't cap your EXP as BRD or COR at 75, you fail hard at both jobs. A risk some EXP loss here and there should not furrow your brow in the slightest.

I am both a BRD and a COR that do not give a damn about EXP loss. When you die a thousand horrible and different deaths on BST, you see these other two for the luxury jobs they can be.

If I die, I get up and I start pulling again. Simple as that. People think I'm crazy for that, but I'm not the one delevelling to 74 all the time. Hell, I've killed my BRD for less meaningful reasons, like wiping a food effect. Its not like its a job that never sees an invite.

My only real concern with this update overall is more CORs will fall prey to the halfassery and princess attitudes BRDs are known for. I already tire of seeing CORs in AF with level 36 Darksteel Hexaguns. The head, body and feet AF are acceptable, but damn, update you friggin gun.

I guess its because "Darksteel" has the word "Dark" in it and its pretty instead of useful for that level. I don't expect a Shark Gun from people, but damn if you're between 56 and 72, get a matchlock gun at least.

Hexaguns are for playing Barbie in Whitegate. And I'm sticking to that opinion until Quicksilver's latent (if any) is known.

[Sevv]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

Aye we now have 2 princess jobs now, well atleast a better chance of great buffs in a party.

But does this make you double the princess bbq?

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

The head, body and feet AF are acceptable, but damn, update you friggin gun.

Typo aside, BBQ makes a good point. Too many people just want to "coast" along it's despicable. If a lazy bastard like me can make it along and still manage to complete all his AF on a day where he had less than 3k to his name (and this was the leg of the quest I was constantly Teleporting and Chocoboing to Sandy...) then it's not hard to make due.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

Aye we now have 2 princess jobs now, well atleast a better chance of great buffs in a party.

But does this make you double the princess bbq?

I consider them "luxury jobs," esepcially having died the thousands of aforementioned horrible deaths as BST. A princess is someone who thinks thier job's title makes them better, but skill and knowledge are really what makes a player better.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

Which is exactly why Grendal still manages to out solo me even tho, to my knowledge, he doesn't have a sky or dynamis shell to get the good gear and/or goodies from.

Edit:

Also, in light of that:

That is all.

[Pteryx]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

IMy only real concern with this update overall is more CORs will fall prey to the halfassery and princess attitudes BRDs are known for. I already tire of seeing CORs in AF with level 36 Darksteel Hexaguns. The head, body and feet AF are acceptable, but damn, update you friggin gun.

I guess its because "Darksteel" has the word "Dark" in it and its pretty instead of useful for that level. I don't expect a Shark Gun from people, but damn if you're between 56 and 72, get a matchlock gun at least.

I think probably this happens because people don't take COR's DD capabilities seriously. They just think the gun is there for pulling with and nothing more -- why upgrade to something that looks less cool when you can pull even with a miss or a 0 damage hit, right? It's a side-order of DD, yes, but it's still decent DD that nicely fills the time between Phantom Rolls. -- Pteryx

[Celeal]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

Very nice update for BST + COR, that is awesome!

As for PUP update, I am wondering the spec. of new puppet heads, like the A.I and frequency of casting magic/cure, etc. The current spec. of the puppet head and frame cannot fullfill mages' expectation in a typical exp. party:
1. The puppet only cast magic once every 50+ seconds (without Mana Booster and spamming all 3x Ice Maneuver), or
2. Puppet's cure triggers at HP below 50% (without Damage Gauge and Light Maneuver)...

Anyway, we have to wait and see. But I am sure that the market price of automaton attachment is going to change.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

Looks like merit parties are going to be like this:

(Player 1) "Um ... no ... we can't go without a COR."
(Player 2) "There's three BRDs seeking"
(Player 3) "lolbrd"
(Player 1) "{No thanks}"
(Player 2) /em dies.

Yay for more elitism!

Yeah, the PUP and BST upgrades sound wonderful but while COR sounds awesome and should increase their invites, it might just hurt the BRDs and RDMs (well not the RDMs so much anymore now that we're curebots) a bit in the process.

Or who knows, this might actaully introduce more balance in the game.

/laugh.

[Sevv]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

Looks like merit parties are going to be like this:
(Player 1) "Um ... no ... we can't go without a COR."
(Player 2) "There's three BRDs seeking"
(Player 3) "lolbrd"
(Player 1) "{No thanks}"
(Player 2) /em dies.
Yay for more elitism!
Yeah, the PUP and BST upgrades sound wonderful but while COR sounds awesome and should increase their invites, it might just hurt the BRDs and RDMs (well not the RDMs so much anymore now that we're curebots) a bit in the process.
Or who knows, this might actaully introduce more balance in the game.
/laugh.

No brd will never lose its seat as king it will share with cor but they put up more songs faster, pull and help the pt.

[Mhurron]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

seat as king it will share with cor

I might party with a COR one day then.

Seriously, I was thinking I was going to have to level it myself to see all it can do.

[Sevv]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

I might party with a COR one day then.
Seriously, I was thinking I was going to have to level it myself to see all it can do.

Friday, I think we have no events ill steal leo (cor) and neri (brd) if i can =D

pai closed our second thread ; ;

[Evion]

Re: Battle Adjustments (8/23/2007)

Who would wanna level a broken job?

We don't know if it's broken yet, but I would. And if the came out with a PalaNinMage, I'd definitely do that too...