Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

[hongman]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

Really though, if you haven't taken BST to 35, stfu and gtfo, you don't really understand the job. If you took BST to 35 and beyond with the assist of a PL, your perspective and "experience" is null and void.

Was there any need for that last comment? If it makes me a n00b so be it, I just done get where that bit came from. Came across as really hyper-defensive

[Malacite]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

>. > I can't wait to see a 75 DRK pop Dark Seal and MB Drain II.


AND DAMN YOU SE! YOU STOLE MY SPIKES IDEA! @- @ (Well, not really, BUT I had been talking about drain spikes spell for some time with my LS.... and there it is!)

EDIT: When I saw Drain II I was immediately hoping the 2nd spell would be Aspir II lol ; ; no such luck!

[Murphie]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

No, the comment wasn't necessary. But BBQ can't resist showing his true colors from time to time. Just ignore it.

[Drive]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

This on top of the level 75 nimrods out killing mobs to level their lame NPCs already.

Hey my NPC is not that lame! Which reminds me, they should allow bard songs to affect NPC. I mean come'on that is the only thing I can do!

[Vyuru]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

Really though, if you haven't taken BST to 35, stfu and gtfo, you don't really understand the job. If you took BST to 35 and beyond with the assist of a PL, your perspective and "experience" is null and void.

*cough cough*

That wasn't really necessary, it's like me telling ANY beast master that if he hasn't completely solo'd from lvls 60-63 as dragoon, pre ToAU, he has no right to speak of soloing, after all since a bst only hides behind their charmed pet while a dragoon takes it like a pld.

Oh, and since you don't rely on spells as much you have never experianced people running up to you with an elemental in Kuftal tunnel only to warp out while you are in the middle of a fight, pre anti MPK patch.

It's really not needed, and now back to the topic.

So reading this, the enhanced evasion/defense will only take effect when fighting an even match or lower mob correct?

I'm looking forward to a duo/tri party, grab some form of refresher, or level staff skill for Spirit Taker, and a drg can main heal darn well against most mobs that aren't IT. If you have a pld or someone who is geared for tanking I'd think a tri could handle VTs with little to no problem, depending on mob.


EDIT:

I forgot to mention that I think this will make the lower leveling parties alot easier. You can solo in the lower levels better, and if you have an NPC I doubt you would need to party until maybe as far as lvl 18, maybe later.

[Tirrock]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

People that walk up and destroy a camp where somebody else is exping always annoy me. I've had BSTs do it to me too...so it's not like BSTs are always the victims here. (I will agree that parties usually care less about soloers though.)

On-topic:
I can think of a lot of trio groups I'd like to try now. Although most of them involve NIN, RDM, and a damage dealer that either can handle tanking for at least a short time or one that won't pull hate off the NIN much. >_>a

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

When I first saw the TP change I was thinking it was godly for paladins and the like. Then I remember how I used to macro in a dark staff when I rested so I'd lose all my TP anyway. Still, it's a nice change for those people who don't use a staff to rest or for when you're soloing and just wanting to rest without losing TP.

[Omniblast]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

I have been wanting these spells for so long. It just flat out sucks that they are DRK onry. I was already ticked that Black Mages were passed over when it came to Bio III. They gave it to the job that has an E in Dark Magic skill. I know that skill has no bearing on landing Bio, its just the principle. They got it because it is an enfeeble.

Granted, these spells fit DRK better than BLM, but I've been wanting them for so long. I guess I'm just whiny... I'll shut up now.

Your just a emo drk in disguise. Don't try to hide it.

Hey my NPC is not that lame! Which reminds me, they should allow bard songs to affect NPC. I mean come'on that is the only thing I can do!

Oh Pishe... and I'm not talking about that girl Pishe... If you get your spoony bard songs to buff your npc, I get to buff my npc with my Avatar. Aww heck, let's have all Avatar's buff each other.
Soon it will be SMN, SMN, SMN, SMN, BRD, COR parties weeee~.

Com'n SE. Avatar buffs Avatars. Songs affect NPC's and Avatars. COR rolls affect Avatars.

Damn too much good stuff, but a Tarutaru can dream can't he? Oh and also...

REMOVE PS2. REMOVE PERPETUATION. THAT IS ALL.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

Was there any need for that last comment? If it makes me a n00b so be it, I just done get where that bit came from. Came across as really hyper-defensive

I'll put it nicely in PT terms, then.

Let's say you're in Crawler's Nest. Three other PTs there. You're pulling Crawlers.

No Crawlers to pull.

And then you see a 75 RDM with and NPC Fellow in that camp. He could have gone against the lizards, could have done Killer Mushrooms, Blazer Beetles or Exorays - no one wants those - but no, he had to pick the worker and soldier crawlers. The PTs in the area are now slowed down and their EXP per hour suffers

Now take out the 75 NPC leveller and replace it with a BST. Ususally in an EXP zone such as Crawler's Nest, we're not going for the crawlers and probably not beetles. Those lizards you ignore? Might use those due to that fact. Might go deeper into the zone where PTs aren't.

But not all Zones have such a varied selection of mobs. Quicksand Caves - Beetles, Spiders, Anticans, Sabotenders, Worms, Lizards. Most of this stuff is in different parts of the zone, beetle and worms the most common all over. Worms - don't follow their masters. Sabos - resistant to charm, 1000 Needles. Anticans are beastmen, can't charm. Which leaves me with beetles, spiders and lizards.

Now, PTs don't usually want the spiders - that whole Sickle Slash think - not do they want the Anticans. Yin and Yang scenario would be BST takes spiders and uses them against Antican. BST gets EXP, PT gets EXP.

Bibiki Bay - PTs are almost strictly after Dahmels. They're not after the rabbits, nor are they generally after goblins. Gobbie bombs there are scary. BST takes Rabbits or Efts against Goblins. Yin and Yang again.

Basically what I'm saying is I do my best to work around PTs, but most PTs don't try to understand that and people levelling NPCs could give a damn about either PTs or the BST. This is a different persepective to FFXI, but just because you may not be privy to it doesn't mean its not there.

That wasn't really necessary, it's like me telling ANY beast master that if he hasn't completely solo'd from lvls 60-63 as dragoon, pre ToAU, he has no right to speak of soloing, after all since a bst only hides behind their charmed pet while a dragoon takes it like a pld.

Nice or no, as it pertains to the job, its very true.

[Drive]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

If you get your spoony bard songs to buff your npc, I get to buff my npc with my Avatar. Aww heck, let's have all Avatar's buff each other.
Soon it will be SMN, SMN, SMN, SMN, BRD, COR parties weeee~.
Com'n SE. Avatar buffs Avatars. Songs affect NPC's and Avatars. COR rolls affect Avatars.

Damn right. Just a pain to level her when I know casting March would make all the difference.

[Mhurron]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

Really though, if you haven't taken BST to 35, stfu and gtfo, you don't really understand the job. If you took BST to 35 and beyond with the assist of a PL, your perspective and "experience" is null and void.

I don't have to know anything about the job to know that you have no special claim to any mob in any zone.

Everybody has to compete for mobs. Everybody. Being BST doesn't make you special.

[Karinya]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

How did this become a thread about BST and competing over camps?

I don't think DRK really needed another buff after absorb-TP, but whatever; it's thematic and not too powerful.

The signet changes are nice as far as they go, but I don't think they'll do much to address the high level camp and balance problems. Most of them are irrelevant or nearly so in a 6-person party situation and there's also the availability of ultra-easy mobs with ultra-short repop timers that will draw people to TAU camps even when Signet isn't providing a bonus.

If the new level of Besieged is so hard that the beastmen end up having the AC more often than not, so there's no sanction exp bonus or sanction refresh and you can't teleport to staging points, then we might see more people exping outside the Empire, but otherwise I don't think this will do much to affect player behavior. (Unfortunately for the PLDs, DRKs and BLUs - and at low levels, RDMs too.)

It'll be nice to get more exp while duoing for organs, though.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

The whole BST vs Party comparison attributes to thread derailing and is a moot point to begin with. Bst or party, everyone has rights to xp where ever they want. No one owns a lot of land anywhere in this game. Its called competition. These types of things should just be assumed and accepted already.

But then again, its omgwtfYKW we're dealing with.

[BurningPanther]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

I have been wanting these spells for so long. It just flat out sucks that they are DRK onry. I was already ticked that Black Mages were passed over when it came to Bio III. They gave it to the job that has an E in Dark Magic skill. I know that skill has no bearing on landing Bio, its just the principle. They got it because it is an enfeeble.
Granted, these spells fit DRK better than BLM, but I've been wanting them for so long. I guess I'm just whiny... I'll shut up now.

If you wanna get technical, we could discuss how BLM, with only a C+ in infeebling, gets access to Sleepga 1 and 2, as opposed to the A+ enfeebling RDM getting it. While one might say "AoE isn't RDM's style," BLM gets Sleepga, while RDM's only native AoE is Diaga.

I dunno if I'm really complaining, I'm mostly saying it works both ways. Sometimes, the development team will give a job a spell that fits the style or image, if not the stats.

But anyways... Back to the topic!

I'm a bit jealous of DRK. Since expansion release, they've enjoyed new spells without having to merit them... though that's where my jealousy ends. The addition of Drain 2, with it's special features, certainly seems to fit them. I wonder if they'll get the same for Aspir in the future.

It's good to see a primarily front line job finally get a Spikes spell, where they can be put to best use. Sure, RDM gets them, but how often do you see us on the front line? SMN can cast AoE spikes spells, but that's rarely a SMN's first priority. And again, Dread Spikes certainly seems to fit DRK.

And the boosts to Signet? ABOUT. FUCKING. TIME.
It's nice that pretty much any melee(specifically DRK, PLD, and BLU), can rest for MP/HP with no TP penalty, making it easier on the support and the party in general.
I'm not so sure about the ambiguous experience bonus though. I'm trying to understand whether or not the devs are trying to push toward smaller, less conventional parties in RoZ/CoP areas. It always struck me that, given the average difficulties of mobs in those areas, that you would need six person teams anyways, at which point the experience bonus is moot.

One thing is for sure, I'm going to enjoy those Steelshell-hunting sessions a whole lot more. Now once they add in a Refresh-effect option for Signet, I'll be golden...

[Hyrist]

Re: Battle System Adjustments (03/05/2007)

Oh when it comes to the beastmaster consept, it's not just BBQ.

In my time soloing I have never met more whiniy, self-absorbed, near-sighted, jaded and self-victomizing group as the Beastmasters.

Yes, we get the fact that you got it hard. Guess what? You signed up for it. Got a problem, go level Warrior. Stop using BST as a means to hide your social anxieties and your private wishes to make FFXI a single player game.

My friend the PLD/WHM took more flack on a daily basis than any BST. And yes, He soloed the majoirty of his job 1-75 too.

People would stop treating you like social rejects if you would stop acting like them.

And it's not all BSTs, the ones that I've actually come into contact with reicently are really friendly most the time, even when I am soloing in 'their' area. We can work out ways to help eachother. And heck, with this patch we may even be able to Duo more together, though that's a bit unlikley as I tend to pick on mobs of a weaker variety. (Better exp when you don't have to stop an rest at all.)

Point being? This is a game ,stop victimising yourself. You're not obligated to play the job you play, and you are not obligated to play at all. Do not blaim others to the torture you subjigate yourself too.