PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

[Balfree]

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preorder placed for the CE ^^

september cant come soon enough

[Rostum]

Re: PC Version in September. PS3 Delayed. Pre-order + Pricing Info

To put it lightly, everyone that gets into the crafter jobs that late is going to have it that much harder just for being made to wait. Being that they're actual, full-fledged jobs, its going to be harder to profit early on when you have people at max level to compete with.

So basically, Square-Enix designed the crafting/gathering jobs to be used within the first six months of the game's release and after that they are useless and too hard to play?

[Kafeen]

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I seriously doubt its been "known" and the alpha and beta versions are further along - only SE really knows, anything else is anecdotal evidence at best. Also, knowing the problems of the PC version would be knowing the same of the PS3 version - the PS3 beta is smaller and more private because they got most of the feedback from PC users already, so the PS3 beta would just round out PS3-related issues.

If there were enough issues to push it back six months, you'd think they'd invite more people in to iron things out more quickly, rather than persisting with a smaller group.

So I don't think your claim adds up.

The beta test is done at the end of the development, if the PC version is ready to enter a beta testing stage but the PC version isn't then the PC's development is further ahead than the PS3's. SE said some time ago that they were releasing the PC version of the beta before the PS3 version.

Adding more people to participate in beta testing doesn't help fix any issues quicker if issues are already known, its likely to be counter productive since you'll have masses of people reporting the same issues repeatedly. The developers then have even more issues to filter though to get rid of duplicate reports.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Six months in terms of personal need - that won't matter. I can wait six more months.

Six months in terms of in-game experience? To put it lightly, everyone that gets into the crafter jobs that late is going to have it that much harder just for being made to wait. Being that they're actual, full-fledged jobs, its going to be harder to profit early on when you have people at max level to compete with. They're going to be able to do all the things you start out doing, possibly with better and more reliable result.

So if you're a blacksmith starting out, it might not be as easy to establish your reputation. Stuff is going to wear and tear this time, so people are going to go to who they know first, I don't expect them to just have an NPC at every turn that can do repairs.

My frustration comes from knowing where some of these gameplay elements are going to go based off other games using the mechanics FFXIV intends to use. I've seen the execution of some of these ideas before, so I would know how to adapt to them quickly, but knowing that doesn't mean much six months later when everyone else does, too.

The PC development as already known to be further ahead than the PS3 development, hence why its already been available to be publicly tested when the PS3 has been kept private.

I seriously doubt its been "known" and the alpha and beta versions are further along - only SE really knows, anything else is anecdotal evidence at best. Also, knowing the problems of the PC version would be knowing the same of the PS3 version - the PS3 beta is smaller and more private because they got most of the feedback from PC users already, so the PS3 beta would just round out PS3-related issues.

If there were enough issues to push it back six months, you'd think they'd invite more people in to iron things out more quickly, rather than persisting with a smaller group.

So I don't think your claim adds up.

[Kafeen]

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If that's not a dick move, I don't know what is.

Delaying the game just for the hell of it?

There can't be technical reasons for the PS3 version being behind

The PC development as already known to be further ahead than the PS3 development, hence why its already been available to be publicly tested when the PS3 has been kept private.

They just want to get it out the gate before WoW: Cataclysm and DCU hit

This is certainly a strong possibility. There's also Guild Wars 2 which is scheduled for release early next year. It makes sense that they'd want to get people playing before that competition hits. As must as people think they're being dicked around SE is still a business, they still need to make money. Releasing 6 months early could easily see an extra couple of million dollars profit for their current financial year.

[Murphie]

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Six months is not even going to matter in the slightest. People need to slow their roll. Will it suck for people who want it now now now? Sure. But they'll just have to get over that. Several months into the game (much less a year), and you won't even be able to tell the difference.

[hexx]

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You don't honestly believe that do you?

Yes I do actually, otherwise I wouldnt have posted it Mal. Unlike yourself, most of us actually THINK and proof read before we post >.>;

The way you say it, its as if a large group of FF MMO players have high end up to date PCs that can handle FFXIV right now, when in fact, based on what I've seen from bench mark numbers, quite a few have not broken the 3k mark in the benchmark.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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There can't be technical reasons for the PS3 version being behind, because in the past the only reason we ever saw delays for other SE products was for the sake of localization. With FFXIV, they're not waiting for English voiceovers to happen - they're already the standard, there is no Japanese voice-over and that means the English is done. I mean, they seem to have had that done in the Alpha.

And given SE is built Crystal Tools and are more familiar with the PS3 than anyone (outside of Kojima Productions, anyway), I'm not buying that PS3 development just got harder all of the sudden, that they hit some snag that was going to hold things back.

No, I think they're just being chicken. They just want to get it out the gate before WoW: Cataclysm and DCU hit, they don't want to get lost in the full brunt of holiday releases and they especially don't want to compete directly with Sony on PS3. I don't think SCEA's need for pristine release windows has anything to do with it - SCEA is retarded, yes, but they're probably not that retarded. I don't think SCEA's stalling them in the approval process either - what are they gonna do, require SE to have Trophies out the wazoo, 3D and Move support?

Then again, there have been rumors about those things for the PS3 version, haven't there? Implementing Move support into Heavy Rain just cost users the remaining Chronicles content promised to them. How long has GT5 been delayed and oh, lookie, now it supports move. SOCOM 4 also took a looooong time to show up this gen, too.

I don't think FFXIV was made with 3D in mind, that could potentially throw a wrench in things. Then again, if they were showing it off in 3D on PC at E3, then that's not a reason for the PS3 version to be delayed because the coding for that can't be that different, but Move support would be another story. It would take months to make that feel right.

But is any of that a good reason to delay a PS3 version? Absolutely not, considering it could just be added in an update.

[Malacite]

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Odds are my graphic card can't handle Star Craft 2 either and my PC is almost 3 years old now so it's about time I upgraded anyway.

I would have preferred to hold off on doing so however at least until boxing day when shit is 50% off >_<

Not totally sure about the Sony paranoia there but you could be right, as something is definitely screwy here.

The amount of PC users that will get a "head start" is minimal, so all this griping really is moot.

You don't honestly believe that do you?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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selfish much?

The age old saying "shit happenes" comes to mind here, the PS3 version is delay, and I am sure for good reasons, that does not mean they need to delay the PC version.

Everyone bitching "PC will get a head start" really do you bitch every time you play any MMORPG and people have been playing before you?

Considering there's only been one other MMORPG that's ever been multiplatform and its getting a universal, worldwide release on PS3 and PC?

Yes, yes I am going to bitch this time, because SE clearly does not have their shit together right now, but in actuality, its probably just SE isn't putting their foot down hard enough.

I'm assuming what's really happening here is politics between Sony and SE. Sony has DCU Online debuting on PS3 and PC in November - and if impressions are to be believed, DCU is like a lighter God of War as an MMORPG, which could make a real impact. It also has cross-realm play and PvP.

I'm thinking Sony believes they have a home run of an MMO on their hands and doesn't want FFXIV in its way. They very well may, too, because unlike Champions or City of Hero, the gameplay is all action, powers grow in a more intuitive way and powers can be shifted to different roles so you never need a "tank/melee/healer"

If Sony is right, then they may have the biggest MMO since WoW on their hands.

So perhaps instead of delaying FFXIV, they put it on PC first. Even so, this is a dick move, SE could have stood up to Sony.

I'm just really disappointed that for the first time in SE's history there's a delay and its not a delay based on localization. I don't think they just stopped working on the PS3 build one day, I think they're launching the PC version early to get out ahead of WoW Cataclysm and DCU.

Regardless, I disagree with the move because it is foolish to build a PC for a game these days. Practically anything I could get on PC I can also get on a PS3 and 360, so spending more on a PC than those two combined is even more foolish. It would be another matter entirely if building a PC cast as much as a PS3, but that's not going to be the case.

[hexx]

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The amount of PC users that will get a "head start" is minimal, so all this griping really is moot. Is it a sucky move? Sure, I'll give you that, but will it break the experience of the game once you DO get it? I think not. You have to remember that September is when a lot of students are returning to school, so think there will be many people playing this game? Nah, I doubt it. Quit your whining and wait for the PS3 version like the rest of us. sheesh.

[Murphie]

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I can't imagine how expensive some of you think a PC that is going to be able to play FFXIV well is going to be. (Note I didn't say at the settings that SE has listed. You can't trust minimum specs.) I mean, I get that everyone has different budgets, and everyone places a different non-monetary value on these sort of things, but some of you are acting as though if you want to buy/build/upgrade a PC in order to play that you'll have to sell a kidney or something. I mean, I get the anger at having to either wait or buy new equipment to play, but I guess you have to weigh your desire to play at launch and/or with friends who will be against the cost.

I'm torn, honestly. I was going to get a PS3 and play it on that, just for ease, but it would be the ONLY reason I'd be buying a PS3 (well, that and for the Blu Ray player), and I don't want to wait until March. So I'm going to ask someone who knows better than I do what parts I need to buy to build a PC that should be able to play XIV fairly well without breaking the bank, and be done with it. It's not as though the only reason I'd use this PC would be for FFXIV, so I figure the price I pay will be worthwhile in the long run. So for me, the cost is worthwhile. For you it may not be.

Not that it doesn't suck that SE changed what they've been saying previously, but if I spent my time getting angry every time SE said one thing and did another I'd be a very angry person.

[Ziero]

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The age old saying "shit happenes" comes to mind here, the PS3 version is delay, and I am sure for good reasons, that does not mean they need to delay the PC version.

Everyone bitching "PC will get a head start" really do you bitch every time you play any MMORPG and people have been playing before you?

It's funny how easy it is to say that when you're not the one being screwed over.

Again, if they never announced that it would be coming out in Sept for the PC, and instead said the entire thing would be coming out in december or march, would you even know it was pushed back because of the PS3?

In one fell swoop SE broke two promises to the PS3 player base that they've been making for an entire year 1) universal same day release and 2) 2010 launch date. If that's not a dick move, I don't know what is.

Also, not many (read only 1) MMO has come out for multiple platforms so far, and from what most people are saying the staggered release lead to a lot of in game hostility. Hell, most MMOs aren't just console exclusive, they're also regional based so you usually end up only playing with people in the same region as you anyway. So it doesn't matter as much when it comes to staggered releases. But with XIV, the game has multi-platform, multi-regional servers so everyone who plays will be mixed together. It makes it all the more impactful when you stagger releases for a gameworld like that.

It's a dick move by SE, no matter how you cut it.

[Takelli]

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selfish much?

The age old saying "shit happenes" comes to mind here, the PS3 version is delay, and I am sure for good reasons, that does not mean they need to delay the PC version.

Everyone bitching "PC will get a head start" really do you bitch every time you play any MMORPG and people have been playing before you?

I am guessing that most PS3 users are thinking what I am thinking.

I also do not think that if I start a mmorpg after everyone else. I am just saying that they should delay it so that pc users don't get a head start on PS3 users. I don't think its fair to those who don't own a PC that isn't "Top of the line".

[Kailea]

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I was hoping that we would all start off on the same page. But due to SE's dick move, then we (PS3 users) will have to wait 6 months to play the game and then have to deal with the elitsism of the others(PC users).

I would much rather they delay the release of the PC version so that everyone does start off at the same time.

selfish much?

The age old saying "shit happenes" comes to mind here, the PS3 version is delay, and I am sure for good reasons, that does not mean they need to delay the PC version.

Everyone bitching "PC will get a head start" really do you bitch every time you play any MMORPG and people have been playing before you?