Haste

[almighty_boof]

I did the thread search for any information on this spell.

I just wanted to know wen to use this spell and how often? I just got level 40 and am a little more excited about this spell than I would normally expect.

Should I just make sure the melee are hasted? or is this more of a soloing spell? Is it just for tanks? As soon as it wears off do i need to be sure to put it back on? Or seeing that this spell costs 40 MP, is it something you would conserve at a more critical period?

Sorry if I am creating spam, i just couldnt find a thread for this...

[Jei]

Ninja will love haste. Haste not only shorten your melee delay but also spell casting. It helps ninja utsusemi recharged faster. Keeping Ninja 100% hasted is a good idea.

Monks and Thfs usually will love haste too.

When slowed, haste will also overwrites it (except Spider's AE slow which you need erase.)

After 48 Rdm cna haste too. Make sure you plan out with Rdm who you're gonna keep haste.

[TheGrandMom]

As a whm, I try to set up a haste schedule with the rdm. Usually doesn't work. They do it sporatically at best and usually have to be asked to do it over and over. But if I do get a rdm that can remember to haste, I have them handle one melee. I always haste my tank and any melee with a 2 handed weapon (sam's sometimes but not always). War's and mnk's after that. But a lot depends on the pt itself. How well we are doing with mobs and if lots of mp can be spared on many hastes. So usually it takes a couple battles to get it all straight.

The people last on my list for haste are thf's and rng's. I've had many rng's tell me not to so I don't do it. And I asked a few whm's who was low on the food chain and they all mentioned thf's in that list, unless you have the mp to throw around. So they are lowest on the haste chain for me too.

In a good pt, haste is no problem. In one of those pt's where you have to go take Tylenol, its a whoooooole different story sometimes! LOL

[ClydeArrowny]

Supposedly haste doesnt affect ranged attacks which is why rngs dont want you to use the MP on them. I'm not a mage, but the order id say is:

tank > person in renkei who gains TP slowest > second slowest > all the others in renkei > DD not in renkei

Haste is nice but make sure you still have enough MP to cure . Try to balance haste to speed up kills while keeping enough MP to chain high.

[Goof]

Haste is a very good spell to have and to speed up kills' I agree w/ rdm... ninja loves haste aswell as thf n mnk's , doesnt anyone!
just be sure to space it out and keep track on the poeple you keep haste on once it runs out'. and I love it when poeple thank me for it =)

[Zany]

Grats on attainin Haste first of all'

Seeing you just got it' you should put the spell on tanks n such, nin' mnk' thf' war' even drks, I agree keep tracl of it as you will need to keep them up, maybe ask the party who to use haste on more, but be conservative w/ mp as you may needa cure here or there. Haste prolly last a fight anyways but make sure you check the haste status on your pep's. cya'

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by ClydeArrowny
Supposedly haste doesnt affect ranged attacks which is why rngs dont want you to use the MP on them.

Ah but they sub nin and I have had a few that want it for the faster casting. That usually happens in a pt with a so-so tank. LOL

[lionx]

Yeah i never Haste the RNG, they tell me its a WASTE of MP and that its just not worth it. THFs and SAMs are usually also the lower end of my spectrum and maybe the good DRG every now and then. Tanks i absolutely Haste no matter which tank, PLD for faster Flashes, NIN for Utsu, and WAR for Damage(if nothing else, depends on sub but attack is a given). DRKs MNK WAR and DRG usually are my order of priority after. I usually can only Haste 2 before i feel like my MP is going to suffer too much...which is why a RDM is preffered for 3rd melee.

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by lionx
Yeah i never Haste the RNG, ...

Ya I'm too soft. When a rng requests it I ask if they really need it because it is 40 mp. If they insist, I cave and cast it. ; ; I have to learn to be more firm I guess! LOL

[eriiko]

Unless I have a NIN or WAR tanking, I never haste the tank.
PLD tank doesn't really need haste, I think its a waste of MP.

[Icemage]

Always Haste tanks when fighting enemies that use low-grade Slow status attacks:

Skeletons
Crawlers
Demons
Ghosts

Regardless of what you are fighting, NIN and WAR should always get Haste when tanking. PLD is optional (good PLDs don't generally need it, but mediocre ones can use the help).

Avoid using Haste when fighting enemies that have strong Slow attacks (Spiders using Spider Web). This, of course, causes problems when you have a NIN or WAR tanking spiders... only advice I can give there is try to convince your party not to do it, as you'll be forced to Erase + Haste every time the spider uses Spider Web - not a good situation to be in as a WHM.

As far as melees go, it's usually whoever builds TP the slowest. This tends to be DRK, but it really depends on the players and their gear/skill. Whatever gets you to a skillchain faster is what you should do.


Icemage

[Nivez]

As both a Pld and a Whm, i know the benifits on hatse on a tank.

pretty much it works like this for me, pre lvl 60, haste is a must. post lvl 60, i would recommend it anytime you dont have a thief in the party, and is also useful when you have a /thf sub, and is a MUST on a pld when there is no thief or /thf
... if you want them to hold hate.

this is just how i see the problem though.

[ClydeArrowny]

If your DDs suck or are mediocre, PLD doesnt need it to hold hate. If you have good DDs however...such as a rng whos doing 230dmg a shot and 1.3k slugs...the haste helps a /ton./

[Macht]

Don't ever cast haste on me. I'd shoot you if you do, well as long as I'm RNG/WAR the last WHM to do that basically was trying to put me on a suicide run. Haste doesn't really effect how long it takes us to shoot (Which is probably why we have Rapid Shot), but man my dagger speed totally screwed up my timing and on top of that since I'm RNG/WAR and with the way I play I usually am just under the Tanks hate so hitting that little faster with my dagger ends up putting me as the tank :mad:

I do agree though that NINs, MNKs, THFs, and PLDs really like it. SAMs, DRKs and others seem to kind of go ehh with it nice extra but not completly that big a deal to them. It's great with PLDs and that Spirits Within, going off with a WS that doesn't effect others SCs. I mean being able to rip out damage that's half your current HP faster has to be a plus right

[little ninja]

congrats on the spell. the number 1 rule is always, an i mean always haste the tank. i cant tell you how many times the whm would not cast it on me even after i beg them for it. it effects my damge over time. an it speeds up my blinks just fast enough for me to get them off. 40 mp is alot. but it saves you from using a cure 4, or 5 on the tank or dd later on. in my eyes its well worth it.