Benediction Theory

[Balgas]

I've come to the conclusion that the job ability Benediction itself creates no enmity what so ever.

The thing that creates the enmity is how much HP that Benediction is healing. For example, you are in a full PT of 6 people 5 whom of which are in the red. You activate Benediction, now this is going to heal everybody up to full from red, so if you add it all up, that is a lot of healing power. It's like using a lot of cure spells at once which is going to create a lot of hate. ^^

The reason why I believe this was because I was in Ghelsba with a friend, he was a PLD and I the WHM (both lvl 10). We accidently got linked and I was out of MP and he had already used invincibility. I still had full HP because he was tanking, so I activated Benediction expecting the monster to turn on me, but it didn't. :confused:

Since we were both only lvl 10 and he was the only one that needed HP, Benediction didn't heal for very much allowing him to keep the aggro.

Well that's my theory, kind of pointless to post it I guess but it's always good to know how something works. ^^

[Suntan2]

invincibility gives more hate than benediction

[Tikki]

You're assuming it was done the same fight. That was not specified, only that it was down.

[Tifa]

This is pretty common knowledge, your "theory" has been always been fact. Bene is just based on amount of total HP healed.

[Artonis]

Re: Benediction Theory

Originally posted by Balgas
I've come to the conclusion that the job ability Benediction itself creates no enmity what so ever.

The thing that creates the enmity is how much HP that Benediction is healing. For example, you are in a full PT of 6 people 5 whom of which are in the red. You activate Benediction, now this is going to heal everybody up to full from red, so if you add it all up, that is a lot of healing power. It's like using a lot of cure spells at once which is going to create a lot of hate. ^^

The reason why I believe this was because I was in Ghelsba with a friend, he was a PLD and I the WHM (both lvl 10). We accidently got linked and I was out of MP and he had already used invincibility. I still had full HP because he was tanking, so I activated Benediction expecting the monster to turn on me, but it didn't. :confused:

Since we were both only lvl 10 and he was the only one that needed HP, Benediction didn't heal for very much allowing him to keep the aggro.

Well that's my theory, kind of pointless to post it I guess but it's always good to know how something works. ^^

In regards to that, we were fighting nest beetles in Crawler's nest.
Every char was red, and I did invinc for self preservation (if tank dies, party usually follows) and WHM did ben for:
700+550+560+480+450+600= 3340HP of instant healing.

The monster didn't flinch from me. I know a LOT of WHM that treat Ben as suicide. If you're in a party with a paladin, don't. If the PLD and WHM are paying attention and complimenting each other's abilities, (ben and invinci) at most you should only take one hit at all.

[Icemage]

Benediction generates almost 0 enmity unless it heals HP - when activated with 0 HP healed it gives about as much enmity as Boost does for a Monk. This is fairly common knowledge (or at least, I thought it was).

As a rule of thumb, Benediction's enmity level seems to be proportionate to a Curaga spell that heals a similar amount of damage. Even so, as long as you're prepared for it, you should never have to worry about using Benediction with a PLD tank, since Invincibility will ALWAYS overpower Benediction for enmity.

Even without a PLD tank you can still use it safely if you plan ahead and use Blink, Stoneskin, and/or Flash effectively.


Icemage

[riceburner4540]

when i see invincible go off, i do one of two things...cast escape, or nuke the crap out of the mob. i've yet to pull hate from a pld who has used invincible. have everyone in the party unleash everything they have on the monster to kill it without reserve once a pld uses invincible. also, when lvling whm, i usually time my benedictions with invincible as well. gives everyone a full heal and thus, a much better shot at taking out the mob or zone and i'm 100% safe ^_^. if the pld dies though, the whm goes next...

[poweryoga]

i had a pld who lost hate from invincible. The mob proceeded to kill the blm that was nuking with manafont and then the whm who used Bene afterwards.

I partied with him again recently.... but since he hasn't gotten ANY better, i will never party with him again.

[Stormwalker]

As a PLD, I can say that no Benediction I've yet to encounter can out-hate my Invincible, and as a WHM I can say that I've never stolen hate from a PLD who used Invincible (on another note, the last time I used Benediction in a party, the PLD didn't even have to use his Invincible, because he Covered me and by the time it wore off he had the hate back. I think I took one hit. But this was a very good PLD.)

As a PLD I have had parties desperately try to pull a mob off of me after I used Invincible and then had it wear off before the mob died. In one fight I was in, I counted ten Provokes distributed among the other three melee... meaning one of them had to Provoke at least four times... before someone finally managed to draw hate (for which I was quite thankful, being at red HP and all mages out of mp!). Fortunately, we were fighting a low-damage mob at the time (a crab which we were having a very hard time killing because our BLM dc'd and it was spamming Metallic Body every time it got TP. It wasn't hitting me that hard, but it didn't want to die!)

Invincible generates a truly staggering amount of hate.

[Zaleshea]

Well I have only survived a benediction usage once. And right now I'm 1/11, Though then, I been in parties that had no pld.

[vadrek]

I used benediction to save pt life, i draw agro with benediction from a pld invencible, not 1 time , many times at firsts levels, allways bene to make pt zone, and me (whm) run run run !!! :angel:

[PedaTeda]

i have had that happen to...when my friend was pling my whm lol we were having a hate fight... lmao (i know is sounds pointless to have a 7 whm/blm try to out hate a rdm 30+ but it was fun) and i spammed poison, dia, Banish.. ect. while he started spaming cureII cureIII....well i ran out of mp and he was starting to get aggro so i used bene. and cure my self for one... which producde no aggro what so ever...... on side note his blaze spiked killed the mob............... ( F U riceman u suck )

[Stormwalker]

Originally posted by vadrek
I used benediction to save pt life, i draw agro with benediction from a pld invencible, not 1 time , many times at firsts levels, allways bene to make pt zone, and me (whm) run run run !!! :angel:

Well, hate DOES decay over time... by the time Invincible wears off, its hate has diminished some (but not much, based on the two or three times I've died after using it!). So if it's worn off, it's possible to have Benediction pull enough hate to have the mob leave the PLD.

I have also heard from other WHM's, but have not personally seen, that if the whole party is at very low HP, such that the Benediction heals an extremely high amount of HP, that it is possible for Benediction to create more hate than Invincible. But unless you have a mob spamming AoE's this really shouldn't happen.

However, speaking as a PLD... I'd very much prefer that the WHM *not* draw aggro off of me, even if it means my death. Quite frankly, I get my raise a lot faster if the WHM lives. If another melee wants to draw hate off of me when I'm at red HP and they can manage to do it, they're welcome to... but I'd just as soon the WHM look after his own life and not have to wait for someone to Raise him before they get to me.

[Icemage]

I honestly do not understand why so many white mages think its a good idea to run after using Benediction. The only time that would even barely make sense would be if the monster is a spellcaster that you can expect will stop and throw a spell at you.

Otherwise, if you aren't prepared to just die, you should make sure you can survive it using your magic (that's why WHM get defensive spells like Blink and Stoneskin, folks).


Icemage

[Funguwari]

Re: Benediction Theory

Originally posted by Balgas
I've come to the conclusion that the job ability Benediction itself creates no enmity what so ever.

The thing that creates the enmity is how much HP that Benediction is healing. For example, you are in a full PT of 6 people 5 whom of which are in the red. You activate Benediction, now this is going to heal everybody up to full from red, so if you add it all up, that is a lot of healing power. It's like using a lot of cure spells at once which is going to create a lot of hate. ^^

The reason why I believe this was because I was in Ghelsba with a friend, he was a PLD and I the WHM (both lvl 10). We accidently got linked and I was out of MP and he had already used invincibility. I still had full HP because he was tanking, so I activated Benediction expecting the monster to turn on me, but it didn't. :confused:

Since we were both only lvl 10 and he was the only one that needed HP, Benediction didn't heal for very much allowing him to keep the aggro.

Well that's my theory, kind of pointless to post it I guess but it's always good to know how something works. ^^

I was fighting, and everyone in the PT had full HP and the WHM used Bene on accident and he didn't grab aggro. Maybe this was a weird coincidence, or, a glitch, or, if the poster is right, but, this is what I experienced.