Difficulty of AF3?

[Ariagiovanni]

I read the pages that tell you about the AF quests and recommended parties, but from my experience those don't always hold true. It says you need 15 people, I assume level 55-58, and you may manage to win. That doesn't really give me much hope for doing this quest. Can someone who has done it give me a few pointers of what levels and numbers of people to throw in? Try to keep away from saying "have a 70 pld" unless it is completely necessary.

[Mik]

I did it with a full alliance (18 people) levels 58-67. Most players were around lvl60 with a few high-level whms who were nice enough to help out. We had one pld60 tanking the NM and all 4 whms casting cure3 on the pld as soon as he took any dmg. The NM's dimensional death did about 400dmg to the pld each time. We killed it twice. The first time it went really well. The second time a couple of our dmg dealers tried to pull hate off the pld. They were each killed in 1 hit. So just don't have your blms cast anything too crazy and no one but pld use TP and it should go okay. Having many whms was the key I think. You could probably do this at level 55 if you had a lot of whms and a good pld.

[Gryff]

its hard.


When i got it myself i was level 61 or something. I saw a jap player ask for help so i messaged we had 3 full parties with multiple lvl 70+ melees and it still wasnt *easy*


Second time i did it was to help someone else.

Only 2 whms, a lvl 71 pld, a few melees around my level at the time ( 60-62 ) and a few mages around my level.

the 62 dark with us got killed voking it off the paladin when he got low. So yeah its pretty damn hard.

[SonikU4ia]

Would it be fair to say that WHM AF3 is the most difficult AF quest of all the job classes?

By previous descriptions, it doesn't sound like 3 parties of lvl 55 could really cut it.

[Ungerpurr]

Yeesh, crazy considering that the monk AF3 battle can be done by one group of level 60s...

[hageshiku]

it's hard, but not as hard as some people make it out to be.

i recommend a tank of at least lvl 60, but it's still possible at level 55 for sure. if you're well prepared, i'd say 12 lvl 55's could do it. what's important is that you have several whms (shouldnt be hard to get, it *is* whm af) and that they all have a macro to heal the main tank.

if the healers have targeting problems yes, even a lvl 70+ tank will die. keep in mind that the the NMs ws, dimensional death, can do up to 1000 damage. (although a good pld probably wont take more than 500-600, and it *can* hit for less than 100) he can and will do this repeatedly.

i think rdm af3 is much harder. that nm has a disgustingly powerful aoe attack.

[Jei]

dificulties, i'd say... Rdm > War > Whm... Whm is relatively easy.

Whm AF3 NM fight will rely on heavy healing, you could imagine quite a lot of Whm joining this battle so it make sense. The NM isn't too bad except it's special move which, like other said, does tons of damage. Attackers with weaker defense can drop in 1 hit.

Compare to Warrior's NM... they have to fight 3 weapons at once. each weapon has their death move which also do 300-500 in a single hit, plus a group stun move.

Rdm's NM, a Golem, can do 500+ area attack.... if the fighters don't bring it far enough from the mages, mages can be dead in 1 shot.

[Alyandah]

Originally posted by Jei
dificulties, i'd say... Rdm > War > Whm... Whm is relatively easy.

I dont agree, I think whm is the hardest, then rdm, then war.

[Alyandah]

Originally posted by Jei
dificulties, i'd say... Rdm > War > Whm... Whm is relatively easy.

I dont agree, I think whm is the hardest, then rdm, then war.

[Issaac]

Is there any posibility to avoid AoE attacks beside stand far away? corners? standing higher then the mob?



Btw i dont think any of these are realy hard. Its just a matter of the tactic. The only problem is to know what awaits you. So hands up for the one who did it without any information in the past.

[Fourinkmaaya]

gathering an alliance of friends + helpful stragers is really really hard ;_;

[SnoMann72]

I am also a WHM and trying to get 3 PTs is super hard. People I talk with said, they don't even care to help WHMs due to the difficulty of the AF3. I say that all of AF quests for WHMs is very hard.

[Ariagiovanni]

Ok i finally did WHM AF3 last night (took a break from WHM so NA could catch up).

Basically my party configuration was very odd, but we did it with no deaths. It was 6 WHM's (4 needed), 4 RDM's (we did RDM AF3 while there), 2 BLM's (level 60's), 75 War/nin, 61 DRG, 60 Thief, 59 DRG, and we had a few people rotating in and out of the alliance.

It went with no hitches at all. No one died and we defeated him 4 times with no trouble. A lot had to do with the blink tanking because when his WS actually did hit the War he went down to about half Hp quick. Anyways, not as tough as people said, the RDM AF3 in garlaige was far tougher, we had a few deaths on that.

[neighbortaru]

congrats you crazy taru

[Icemage]

WHM AF3 isn't the hardest, but it's definitely scary, and not something you want to try without a good group of players. Minimum requirements I'd say are:

(1) Primary tank should have 1000+ HP. Dark Resistance items are also useful.

(2) Non-thieves should avoid using strong WS without Trick Attack, especially if they are using Sniper Rings (-20 Dark Resistance!), or they will most likely die.

(3) BLM should stay away from using Ancient Magic. If they get attacked, they will die, period.

(4) Dimensional Death is a Dark Element attack. If you have a high level Bard with Dark Carol, they should be in the party with the main tank.

The point is to have all healers targetting the primary tank with continuous healing, since he uses Dimensional Death very, very often.

I've done WHM AF3 on two separate occasions now, and each time the only reason someone got killed was because they broke one of the above rules.

Minimum level for success would be 55 if you have a full or nearly full alliance. If primary tank is 60+, you can get away with less, probably 2 full parties.


Icemage