Bloodtear Baldurf

[Sabastion]

Originally posted by Buuyon

and if i was jelous i would be lvling thf now wouldnt i?

As a /sub for your drk... whats your point asshat? Go flame somewhere else.

[Buuyon]

Originally posted by Sabastion
As a /sub for your drk... whats your point asshat? Go flame somewhere else.

yes very good i need to lvl thf, if you looked at the other thread i said i have a 27 thf...and well i hate it cuz thf suck ass till 33...even still i will hate thf as a main

[Gman]

Originally posted by Buuyon
yes very good i need to lvl thf, if you looked at the other thread i said i have a 27 thf...and well i hate it cuz thf suck ass till 33...even still i will hate thf as a main

Wrong again.

SATA + Fast Blade (and possibly Combo) is good for 300+ dmg easily at lvl 30-32. Thats more than any other job but RNG (Barrage) at level 30. Viper Bite at 33 just makes THF ~more~ powerful, but they were already insane damage dealers before that.

[WishMaster3K]

Wow, i find it hard to believe that some ppl flame THF. Must be because they never pted with a good one. THF evasion is a pretty damn nice commodity, especially after the formulas get all screwy after lvl 61, which further seperates THF's from the rest of the pack.

know how a NIN can tank with Utsusemi? You should! NIN evasion. Now imagine how a THF might possibly Tank with Utsusemi? (not sure if NIN of THF evasion is higher, so I wont say anything about that.)

And about damage, sure, THF hit for what can be seen as @$$ damage, but in the big picture, think about how often a THF hits (low delay weaps, and having two of em), and how often they raise TP. Sure, it's easy to wield a Scythe and blast an enemy for 1k of damage, but when you can only do that once every 2 or 3 matches due to the insane missing that scythes get (especially Elvaan DRK) a THF/NIN might very well actually do equal damage as a DRK.

[Lmnop]

believe ninja's A- and thf's A+ so better evade post 61. oh, and don't forget those evasion bonus traits. yeah, thf/nin's are funny creatures.

[Kastel]

heh.. in combat skills as Lv75 thf under the right conditions, my evasion is stated as 295 capped. This is from +7 evasion skill from torque and +10 evasion skill from master caster mitts. Also a +2 evasion skill from a merit point i threw that way. Then on top of all that, the regular +evasion gear that does not effect the combat skills~

People are amazed by the stuff I can tank/solo/duo. Not hard to believe she killed the Ram.

Anyways, why is it such a big deal she did or didn't. She basically wanted to share a story with everyone, if you dont believe it, that's fine, doesnt matter.

[Kastel]

Originally posted by Lmnop
believe ninja's A- and thf's A+ so better evade post 61. oh, and don't forget those evasion bonus traits. yeah, thf/nin's are funny creatures.

oh and thf evasion is A+, all that is correct, only advantage nin get is they have debuff ninjitsu/blind, para... also another utsu ni shadow ~.~

[Buuyon]

Originally posted by Gman
Wrong again.

SATA + Fast Blade (and possibly Combo) is good for 300+ dmg easily at lvl 30-32. Thats more than any other job but RNG (Barrage) at level 30. Viper Bite at 33 just makes THF ~more~ powerful, but they were already insane damage dealers before that.

possibly combo? combo is better then fastblade...and yes a WAR/THF will destroy thf still till 33...80 a hit, berserk then SA sturm wind for 150+

and yes...being 65 and 75 are two huge diffrences...more evasion and more agi...dont for get a total of 5 shadows also...

[Mookie]

Originally posted by Buuyon
possibly combo? combo is better then fastblade...and yes a WAR/THF will destroy thf still till 33...80 a hit, berserk then SA sturm wind for 150+

and yes...being 65 and 75 are two huge diffrences...more evasion and more agi...dont for get a total of 5 shadows also...

WAR hitting for 80 a hit at level 30, you have to be smoking crack (only way this could be possible is if Mighty Strikes was active)!
As for SA+Sturmwind beating out SATA+Fast Blade... hmmm... it has the potential, but wont happen often (if at all) when the THF is well equiped. I know my WAR/THF (best possible equips) at level 30 was doing about 2/3rds the damage my THFs SATA+Fast Blade (also best possible equips).
Then when I turned 33 and got Viper Bite I destroyed any damage my WAR EVER did with SA+Sturmwind.
So a WAR/THF can pretty much keep up with the WS damage of a THF for 3 levels
There is no way in hell SA+Sturmwind is a better SC closer than SATA+Fast Blade (or Viper Bite 33+) though.


Oh and a 75 THF/NIN would have 6 shadows... but I'm sure you knew that.

[Buuyon]

Originally posted by Mookie
WAR hitting for 80 a hit at level 30, you have to be smoking crack (only way this could be possible is if Mighty Strikes was active)!
As for SA+Sturmwind beating out SATA+Fast Blade... hmmm... it has the potential, but wont happen often (if at all) when the THF is well equiped. I know my WAR/THF (best possible equips) at level 30 was doing about 2/3rds the damage my THFs SATA+Fast Blade (also best possible equips).
Then when I turned 33 and got Viper Bite I destroyed any damage my WAR EVER did with SA+Sturmwind.
So a WAR/THF can pretty much keep up with the WS damage of a THF for 3 levels
There is no way in hell SA+Sturmwind is a better SC closer than SATA+Fast Blade (or Viper Bite 33+) though.


Oh and a 75 THF/NIN would have 6 shadows... but I'm sure you knew that.

i belive thats 5 but im not sure since i dont have a 74 job, no great axes are pretty strong and when fighting low def mandys they do alot...of corse sa sturm wind wont beat sata"insert weaponskill here" but will do like 150+

[Darkedge]

Originally posted by Buuyon
i belive thats 5 but im not sure since i dont have a 74 job, no great axes are pretty strong and when fighting low def mandys they do alot...of corse sa sturm wind wont beat sata"insert weaponskill here" but will do like 150+

I believe it's 6, Ni gives 4 to main and 3 when subbed, right?

Since this is a bloodtear topic and we're debating warrior, I haven't taken my war to kazham yet because I want a higher rank, i HATE low rank parties, but my normal Sturmwind in Qufim w/ Neckchopper has been 150+, click the pic in my sig for my gear. I would also hit between 40-60 per hit or so.

In one party this Galka THF did a 170+ SA Fast Blade on a worm, but I haven't seen SA Combo in action.

[Jaggywaggy]

For those that still have doubts, don't base how a thf solos with your pre 30 thief please. I felt thief was indeed a gimp soloist pre 50, but they actually change alot from then.

As mentioned Thf does indeed have A+ in evasion skill cap, also we have 3 definitely known evasion job traits at 10,30,50, and 70 has been rumored to also. Not including outside factors such as spells and the such, thief has the highest potienal evasion given they have an evasion set of equipment.

Therefore the shadows of a thief wouldn't be down in a few seconds but in actually quite a while. And because most hits with us when properly equipped are evaded a thief would have all day to recast utsusemi. Here's an example of how much those evasion traits help.

My last party in the tree I was 54-55 pulling our party robber crabs and crawlers which were on average 180-220 experiences before chain bonus. With about 22-23 added agi, and only 10 evasion equipped I evaded about 1/4-1/3 of the mobs attacks on the pulls if they for some reason they got close to me. Had I eqiupped all my current evasion equips I would've been at +26 evasion and about 20 agi. Also my evasion is about 10-15 off the cap. Had I capped that evasion, and been wearing all my ideal evasion equips, I would've definitely evaded roughly half the attacks off inc-tough mobs in the 200xp range.

Another point to make... Although our marksmenship is only C+, it's definitely good enough to hit mobs at a decent rate given we have some range acc equips and the mob isn't inc-tough. To a mid 60 thief the ram wouldn't be many lvls higher if at all. The ram can be toward the 60-mid 60 range of it's random lvl and then marksmenship would definitely not be a problem. That C+ really isn't a problem except vs xp mobs. Therefore pumping in a few acid bolts at the start, recovering hp with bloody bolts, blind bolts and maybe even poisoning it with venom bolts is not an impossiblity.

Triple attack- when the mobs are <tough> or easier, this trait kicks in ALOT, just like with double attack and other jobs.

A thief with all the acc gear he had and the fact the ram must've been around his lvl due to its lvl range, dancing edge solo would probably hit for full potienal as a solo WS not used with SA. Think of this way. Drk gets gulli at lvl 60, yet its normally not all it's cracked up to be because most of the hits miss for inc-tough+++ mobs. Take it to skillup parties and farming were possiblely lacking acc gear isn't an issue, suddenly you have 100s of damage, penta is similar when not used with SA. In short, dancing edge would be quite powerful as a solo WS when 4-5 of the stabs hit.

In conclusion, don't underestimate thf's potienal evasion between 3 evasion job traits, the many many evasion equips that are equippable by us, the natural high agi we have, blind bolts with crossbow, and our A+ in evasion. That added with a ninja sub for utsusemi when a hit does actually get through. Evasion is our lifeline and you probably wouldn't have doubts if you had a post 50 thief with about 30 evasion in equips and capped evasion.

:Edited for typos:

[WishMaster3K]

Ty so much for that insight jaggywag. now i wonder if this thread will be silenced on that note

[Rhayn]

Just to add my two cents, anyone that doesn't believe Savage could solo Bloodtear Baldurf (an NM who can't hit the broad side of a barn) with that equipment obviously hasn't watched a THF solo Aquarius or a NIN solo Serket, as I have seen.

Although an NM, Bloodtear Baldurf's level is usually guessed as somewhere between 55-63, whereas Savage was level 65. High evasion is incredibly powerful, particularly against things below your level. Those that doubt the power of high evasion usually only look silly to those that have witnessed it before.

I suppose some people just have to see things with their own eyes to believe it though, so I don't see much more point in arguing. The non-believers will just recieve a nice shock the first time they see it for themselves.

[Buuyon]

i have been told by alot of people blood tear is 68