race for sam?

[quigebo]

I'm thinking about starting this game again because im getting bored of all the other games, and i was thinking about starting over and going for a SAM again. but i was wondering which race fits best for a sam.
also back in the first months this game came out, sam/war seemed to be the favored jobs but i see that some people use sam/thf, can somebody tell me why?

[dreadlord]

Elvaan high STR, more DMG
Hume, balanced
Mithra highest Acc.

Take what you like. It's all about the equipment.

SAM / WAR - normal setup, nice with double attack, berserk and warcry.
SAM / THF - nice after 30 or 60. With a lot of STR equip you can deal a lot of damage with SATA + Gekko or Kasha. And good to control hate if there is no THF in your pt.

0-30 - SAM / WAR
30-50 - SAM / THF or SAM / WAR
50-60 - SAM / WAR
60-70 - Take what your PT needs.

See Bloodberry's Post

[ZQM]

Originally posted by dreadlord
Hume, balanced

Actually, Galka is the most balanced melee. They have the second highest STR and DEX.

[dreadlord]

I didn't list galka, cuz I don't like it and hume is balanced, too.
I didn't say it's the most balanced race.

[pooq]

mithra>galka>hume>taur>elvaan

you need to hit the mob for the TP, simple as that. if everybody has the best equipment, mithra will still have slightly better acc. galka have the "average dex" but have the str and hp to put them ahead. same for hume over taru. and elvaan having the lowest dex is lower acc

remember i said this was comparing races with teh best gear on(all equal)


/thf is for the dex as well as the SA, but mostly for elvaans to make up for their lousy dex. remember that post 30 you have meditate so hitting to get your TP isnt an issue anymore but it is nice to toss out a WS for damage then med for the chain

[Tidane]

Mithra has the highest DEX, and statisically, they should have the highest ACC. They don't though, as the DEX makes a minimal difference. STR makes more a difference in damage than DEX does with ACC. The only way I see DEX mattering is when you don't have enough DEX to balence out your +ACC, in that case, the DEX may be helpful. Otherwise, you'll want to raise ACC >> STR & ATK >> DEX. I say STR&ATK because most slots you won't have a choice between ATK and STR.

[Kagerou]

Originally posted by Tidane
Mithra has the highest DEX, and statisically, they should have the highest ACC. They don't though, as the DEX makes a minimal difference.

Thank god someone mentioned this

Even if it was true(that DEX>all), I still wouldn't play as a mithra Samurai cause they hold their G-katanas like baseball bats :sweat:

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by pooq
mithra>galka>hume>taur>elvaan

you need to hit the mob for the TP, simple as that. if everybody has the best equipment, mithra will still have slightly better acc. galka have the "average dex" but have the str and hp to put them ahead. same for hume over taru. and elvaan having the lowest dex is lower acc

remember i said this was comparing races with teh best gear on(all equal)


/thf is for the dex as well as the SA, but mostly for elvaans to make up for their lousy dex. remember that post 30 you have meditate so hitting to get your TP isnt an issue anymore but it is nice to toss out a WS for damage then med for the chain

Maybe it's that i've only come accross gimp Mithra but I have yet to see any mithra out-perform hume, elvaan, galka in the samurai job. On top of that, the amount of stock dex is so marginal it's not gona make or break you. And quit reading and believing the US guide on what race accompanies which job best lol.

[kujo412]

Originally posted by pooq
mithra>galka>hume>taur>elvaan

you need to hit the mob for the TP, simple as that. if everybody has the best equipment, mithra will still have slightly better acc. galka have the "average dex" but have the str and hp to put them ahead. same for hume over taru. and elvaan having the lowest dex is lower acc

remember i said this was comparing races with teh best gear on(all equal)


/thf is for the dex as well as the SA, but mostly for elvaans to make up for their lousy dex. remember that post 30 you have meditate so hitting to get your TP isnt an issue anymore but it is nice to toss out a WS for damage then med for the chain

like nodachi said, pull your face out of your brady games guide -_-;

elvaan/galka > hume/mithra > taru


mithra only make the best samurais pre-40, when acc items are hard to come by. after that galka and elvaan blow them out of the water.

[crowly]

[QUOTE]
Mithra has the highest DEX, and statisically, they should have the highest ACC. They don't though, as the DEX makes a minimal difference. STR makes more a difference in damage than DEX does with ACC. The only way I see DEX mattering is when you don't have enough DEX to balence out your +ACC, in that case, the DEX may be helpful. Otherwise, you'll want to raise ACC >> STR & ATK >> DEX. I say STR&ATK because most slots you won't have a choice between ATK and STR.[QUOTE]


Equip 2x courage rings and a bravos belt on any job in valkurm dunes. Hit a mob then unequip them and hit the mob.

Check the results on how much damage is increased, then tell me why you believe that str will do more at 60.

Ya, it doesn't. +12 str at 60 might increase damage a point or two, but that's it.


Of course...mithras 16 dex over an elvaan and I think 6-10 over a hume is impossible to figure out.

The accuracy from it is great...but like the damage from str it's hard to notice. Especially when your hitting near a guessed 1## natural acc and then acc boosts from equip.

And then we have the crit rate from dex. Hard to notice because the mobs agi is increasing too...and you have no idea how well dex will increase your crit rate.

And you can't complain about the way mithra hold a gk if you see many races holding weapons...

[NeoForte]

WTH are you talking about? The amount of damage increased by Str at Lv60 is just as much as any other lvl. Increasing Str will increase both you Max Damage output and increase your Attack. That +12 Str might increase your damage by a significant amount. You have no proof to back up your theory about what your talking about.

[Tokitoki]

Originally posted by pooq
mithra>galka>hume>taur>elvaan

you need to hit the mob for the TP, simple as that. if everybody has the best equipment, mithra will still have slightly better acc. galka have the "average dex" but have the str and hp to put them ahead. same for hume over taru. and elvaan having the lowest dex is lower acc

remember i said this was comparing races with teh best gear on(all equal)


/thf is for the dex as well as the SA, but mostly for elvaans to make up for their lousy dex. remember that post 30 you have meditate so hitting to get your TP isnt an issue anymore but it is nice to toss out a WS for damage then med for the chain

If your saying that all the races have the best gear then they arent going to be missing much no matter what race they are. Then its all based on DMG. Who have the higher damage?
Elvaan > Galka > Mithra > Taru
I'm not arguing that the best race overall is Elv, but if you have all the best gear Elv should be better than most races ecause their STR is higher, but it also depends on the skill of the player. I mean if you ahve all that acc gear then the DEX isnt going to do much and Mithra's STR is clearly lower than Elv's...

[Jaggywaggy]

elvaan/galka > hume/mithra > taru

I'd like to agree with this statement. Post 60 when alot of acc gear is very required(mithras too, no exceptions) and worn, that extra str is really going to benefit more. Here's an example of how much it helps for lower levels although the example isn't the greatest since it's about monk.

I made a 2nd character, galka mnk, lvl 16, no SJ yet. I have +11str , and +3 attack, plus the attack % bonus from mithkabobs. This character has pulled hate and held hate from all tanks I've met so far, including plds on one of several jobs they took through the dunes. Hume and mithra mnks I've competed against with about +3-4 str hit for about 1-5 damage on VT and INCs, I hit for 15-20 per fist easily. So 12 more str adding up to one more damage... No way this is true. 12 more dex is valuable, and 12 more str is not, and V V, talk about elvaan and mithra fanboys . This claims are false, 10 more of a melee related stat is going to make a visable difference in melees.

10-20 more damage per swing for an entire fight plus more noticable effect on WSs is going to be obvious in the long run. This is not to denouce the other 3 races as good samurais though with taru obviously a clear number 5. Based off samurai's overall average str and dex both recieving a 3/5 rating, the evidence suggests a mixed approach of added stats to the samurai job was intended. I'd never look down on any race of samurai as bad, not even taru since the job's power relies upon self SCs and/or multiple SCs while hitting for 'decent' normal hits.

I will admit I haven't played samurai, but as a thief I've worked with my fair share of samurais,dragoons,rangers, and darkknights. Therefore I've been able to observe many different playstyles and equipment choices for samurai(As well as the other jobs) and I've seen how they performed. I've seen samurai that couldn't hit anything but hit hard wth less SCs, and I've seen sam's with +30 acc but very little str and attack and hit for about 40 on crab in the tree. In the time they do 40 damage I could do about 40 with daggers, it's not a good thing for them. The most useful samurai's I've been with were the ones that successfully blended both traits together and payed very close attention to mob's hp and tp meters for all melee.

I value acc,attk,str,dex in that order for this job but regard all races with the ability to play samurai 'nearly' equally. Your playstyle is going to have an effect on overall party damage more than your race on this job more so than some other purer damage dealers. But if you want a race that will yield more invites based upon general public opinions, elvaan,galka, and mithra will probably get the most invites based off myths that are overrated.

In closing if I absolutely was forced to play samurai, I'd go galka for the dex of a hume but str 'just' below an elvaan's. For this job the difference in base str for galka and elvaan by 75 should be around 4, about the same with dex. And it's not worth it to argue over something like that in my opinion.

[crowly]

WTH are you talking about? The amount of damage increased by Str at Lv60 is just as much as any other lvl. Increasing Str will increase both you Max Damage output and increase your Attack. That +12 Str might increase your damage by a significant amount. You have no proof to back up your theory about what your talking about.

If you would like a worldpass to hades I can show you how noticeable 12str is without a 20+att boost.

And as far as I can tell...from using berserk and boost stacking~

Attack is max damage per hit, and str is average damage.


That or nobody can reach their max damage per hit without a couple hundred +attack. Either way it makes an elvaans str advantage un-noticeable.

[crowly]

I made a 2nd character, galka mnk, lvl 16, no SJ yet. I have +11str , and +3 attack, plus the attack % bonus from mithkabobs. ~CUT~ Hume and mithra mnks I've competed against with about +3-4 str hit for about 1-5 damage on VT and INCs, I hit for 15-20 per fist easily. ~CUT~

So your trying to say 7-8 str will increase damage by 10-15 points? Lot of shit spewing outa your mouth.


Anyone that actually believes him should grab 2x courage rings, linen cuffs+1, and a purple belt ^^ and play monk in the dunes.