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  • Before you start down the wrong path...

    ...read what I have to say.

    Samurai as a main post-60:

    Do you ever wonder why you see so few samurai after 50? Well there is good reason for this. Samurai, and the rest of the expansion classes, either failed to go through the balancing stage of production or were simply not finished. This becomes painfully evident in the late stages of the game. After 60 you will be a second-rate damage class at best, you won't be able to tank, and all of your class perks will become moot.

    Firstly, G. Katana is a weak weapon class. Your weapon skills are weak and your accuracy is low. All GK really has going for it is versatility but that doesn’t count for diddly when it comes to getting groups. Oh, and you're pretty much stuck with GK as you'll be worse off by switching to a B-rating weapon.

    Secondly, you can’t take hits. Not that I particularly care about this fact. I would just like to disprove the myth that a samurai has defense to make up for an inferior offense. Thanks to those sniper's I have to wear in order to connect with 70% of my weapon skills I have less defense than the WHM I group with. That’s right, a taru mage takes hits better than I. If you focus on offense, like you should, you’ll have extremely poor evasion to go with your low defense. There is no reason not to focus on offense, as you will not tank anywhere near as well as a paladin or warrior no matter what gear you pull out of your hat. Besides, I don’t think anyone picks samurai with tanking in mind.

    Lastly, the classes you compete for a group slot with either have your primary abilities through subbing samurai or just don’t need them. Thanks to the low accuracy of GK a monk, dark knight, dragoon or ranger will generate TP faster than you even without TP: store. If they have samurai subbed* then they will make you look like a joke.
    *excluding rangers

    If you believe that Square-Enix will give the expansion classes a review, or you find it acceptable to play an impotent class, then go ahead and level up samurai. If not, I would advise you to choose another class as you will be very disappointed later on.


    {I wrote this not to whine but because I myself would have really appreciated this information before I chose to play a samurai all those months ago.}

    STR+7
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    Attack+48

  • #2
    Hmm I dissagree with a lot of it. I get PT invites within no time since 63. Level 60-63 were tough i'll give you that though.

    And i often out damage most melees AND gain tp quicker. . . so ugh duno why you're struggling, your stats are pretty good.

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    • #3
      Another catch-22 for Samurai. GL using Zanbato for the rest of yoru life, a GK with a depressing delay. The only way you'll get a better weapon is to kill the HNM's the drop them, but you can't get into any alliances that do them because you're a samurai, and so on...

      I heard Samurai was gimp when I started but I figured Square-Enix would fix it by then, oops.

      A Taru DK with Vassagos and generally worse equipment greatly outdamages me.

      I can farm all I want but I can't get a good GKT, on par with Vassagos or Eurytos, etc. Yay.

      Unless you're partying with gimps, there is no way a Sam is outdamaging a good Dark/Ranger/Monk. Dragoon before they get their good lances perhaps, but later level DGN weapons totally rape Samurais...lackthereof.

      Samurai is a jack of all trades, but ppl pick specific jobs for specific roles and don't need a jack of all trades. RDM's start out as a jack of all trades but if you're not a nooblar you know they eventually fit into a very specific role at the end of the game. Samurai doesn't fit in anywhere at the end.

      Samurai doesn't even have WS versatility, since most parties would rather just have you spam enpi/jinpu than make a renkei with koki/goten/kagero not involving raging fists, etc.

      On a side note, why don't we get TP back after using our two-hour? The description says all WS's cost 100 TP, not it costs 100 Tp but you get no TP return from them?

      Almost every job combination of two jobs can make the normal renkeis (distortion, etc) using two non gimp weapon skills. What does samurai add? The ability to make transfixion and compression more easily? Haha?

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      • #4
        On a side note, samurai isn't 'prestigious' or anything where just having the job unlocked makes you uber. I'm tired of somehow getting guilted into unlocking the sam quest for ppl who are still level 1 in it anyway. It's kinda a microcosm though..

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        • #5
          I just lost a very well-written and thought-out post that I'd hoped would explain some of the hopes and frustration that I feel with the class, but this site persists to be a bother. How often have you lost a post that you spent your valuable time writing to the void here? I've lost several and it seems to constantly get worse.

          Imagine the traffic that'll come here after the PS2 launch? Recommended site? Better get some ducks in rows.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by krycis
            I just lost a very well-written and thought-out post that I'd hoped would explain some of the hopes and frustration that I feel with the class, but this site persists to be a bother. How often have you lost a post that you spent your valuable time writing to the void here? I've lost several and it seems to constantly get worse.
            I have the same problem. I solved it by typing my posts in notepad, then using copy paste. That way if i lose the post i can just copy-paste again without retyping.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by evaporated


              Unless you're partying with gimps, there is no way a Sam is outdamaging a good Dark/Ranger/Monk.

              Well obviously. I mean they aren't called the top three damage dealers for nothing. Still I find the class to be worthwhile because of the TP gain. And a SAM isn't really meant to tank anyways. Basically only when you need to in a party.
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              • #8
                What about the TP gain? It's not enough to balance out doing lower damage with more weapon skills. And it's moot in later renkeis/party configurations. the TP gain is basically great for showing off and farming. In fact, so is the Samurai's huge hps. At least the samurai is in my opinion the best melee farming class. Too bad a whm with hexa outfarms melees lmao.

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                • #9
                  i have to disagree on some parts.

                  yes after 60 other melee can sub sam for meditate and their multi hit ws gain tp faster than us. but if you really carefully look into their ws dmg and how many times they use ws, it's not so far off than us sam. a drg/sam penta does 150-250, and they can do 2 times least. sam's yukikaze actually is pretty good at dmg, 300-500 but return almost no tp. drk is the real dmg dealer w/ their 4 hit ws, just spam the gullotine will get 300-600 dmg normally and will be able to do 2 times least in a fight. the problem w/ us sam is the meditate recyle time ... 3 min... originally it was 1min, i dont know why they changed to 3min, i guess it was for the sub job.

                  I say they should change main sam job meditate 1 min, and sub job 3 min. plain and fair.

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                  • #10
                    First of all i dont think you properlly read the dmg output of the others in your pt oberserve anything at all for that matter if u made a post like this...Every drk i pt with i outdmg per hit with a lower delay. I get tp way faster then anyone ive pted with only people who have a chance of coming close are dragoons and rangers. And our evasion is shitty we get a B+ in evasion. You shouldnt be taking hits in your pt period. But if just so happens you have to get aggro for a thf tot rick on tank hit defender while ur taking his and cancel it right after. My main TP build is PLD,THF,SAM,WHM,RDM,BLM. Havent had a better PT then this i do enpi for around 300-450. Thf hits dancing for 800-900. Burst does around 600. Then ill SC with the pld vorpal 200 yukikaze 400-600 burst about 600. We do it every fight on ITs nonstop 180+ xp. ANd if were in trouble we could easily burst with an ancient spell. SAM is an amazing class you need the right jobs in you pt to make it shine. Im currently lvl 61 im guessing sam gets way better at 65 with gekko easily do swift blade>gekko for a lvl 3 sc. But i cant wait.

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                    • #11
                      the ability was never 1 minute refresh, it's always been 3 minutes from day one, just a lot of places wrote down the wrong info.
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                      • #12
                        Well, for me, my performance post-50 also seemed like the suck. The only times it didn't were against mobs which I could actually hit, and when I was in PTs where the players were bad enough at their job to make me look good.

                        If you're seriously outdamaging DRKs and the like post 60, that's cool. Let me in on your secret.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ipwnzuall!!!111
                          If you're seriously outdamaging DRKs and the like post 60, that's cool. Let me in on your secret.
                          Haubergeon, sniper x2, amemit, valkrie mask. . . and tonosama rice balls seem to help me achieve this. I usually average same or slightly higher than many DRK, DRG and some MNK i PT with - however i never come close to keeping up with RNGs i PT with.

                          Also many have said it before but. If you've got a thief doing say. . .500 damage with a ws once a fight and a sam doing say like 270 damage with a ws 2-3 times a fight. . . sam is technically doing more damage within the same time period.

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                          • #14
                            Alright, but I'm assuming then that you're using the AF gloves... Wouldn't Mith+Ochiudo's be better for damage output than AF+Rice Balls??? Are you PT'd with optimally equipped melees who eat food? Are you taking into consideration DRK WS? I'm still missing how you could keep up with the damage...

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                            • #15
                              Yes i am actually. And if they don't have them i give them mithkababs. Also, no - despite the wonderful +20 atk ochidos arn't better than sam AF gloves with tonosama riceballs. The + 45 attack + def and +1 double attack far outweighs the atk of ochidos.

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