Red mage in ManaBurn PT

[hongman]

So, at 61.5, I really have not been involved in a burn party of any type yet. I have been invited to 2 Manaburns, but 1 got turned down due to lvl gap and the other got turned down becuase I was already in a pt.

I asked one of my LS mates what an RDM bascially does in a manburn party, and he said on BLM x5:

Puller - Pull with Gravity, Sleep next mob ready
Refresh x5, Cure if needed

Pretty much it, while the BLM's are readying their AM's to kill the sleeping mob, one, go get the next ready.

Just wondering if this is the set way to do things? Anything else I would be expected to do?

I think it is inevitable I will join one soon, just dont want to end up in my first one and have no clue what the hell Im doing!!

Thanks

PS I am just drawn by this 10kxp/hr thing....but then another LS memebr said this isnt gonna happen to later lvls, like 65+, is this true?

[Murphie]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

That's pretty much all you do. With six refreshes, and pulling/sleeping, you don't really have a lot of excess mana for nuking, but you can certainly give that a try.

Personally, I don't see the appeal to Manaburns for a RDM. I've been in them before, and I couldn't help thinking "If I were a BRD, this would make so much more sense."

[hongman]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

Yes, I can see where a BRD would be much easier.

But you do get these BLM's that look for nothing else other than Manaburn, and if it means someone has to manually refresh 6 people why would they care, they arent the ones doing the work!

The XP is appealing to be to be honest. I generally gain a lvl once every 2-3 parties now, but with the uber 10kxp/hr thing (at my level) I could easily level is 1 party session, presuming I was starting near the bottom of the XP Bar.

[Murphie]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

I didn't see 10k per hour in any of my manaburns. But I only did, like, four.

[Feba]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

RDM/BRD can be an effective helper in manaburn. Usually better at sleeping the pull than the BRD or BLMs, and refresh+ballad is a nice help.


Manaburn in general sucks though, unless you get a PT that REALLY knows what it's doing. Chances are, if you have to explain what @20 means to ANYONE, it's going to suck. if you have to explain what @20 means to EVERYONE, don't even bother.

[hongman]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

Any experienced BLM Manaburner's wanna chip in here?

Manaburn in general sucks though, unless you get a PT that REALLY knows what it's doing. Chances are, if you have to explain what @20 means to ANYONE, it's going to suck. if you have to explain what @20 means to EVERYONE, don't even bother.

Isnt that all parties?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

RDM/BRD can be an effective helper in manaburn. Usually better at sleeping the pull than the BRD or BLMs, and refresh+ballad is a nice help.

Lullaby and Light Shot see fewer resists than dark-based sleep.

COR pretty much trumps BRD and RDM in Manaburn with Evoker's Roll (refresh), Healer's Roll (+hMP buff) and Wizard's Roll (Magic Attack Buff). I only see RDMs invited to manaburn for Gravity, Raise and main heal and a COR or BRD is still invited with them. I haven't seen a need for RDM in manaburns otherwise, you can function fine without RDMs.

I don't see why RDMs feel left out of manaburns, its not exactly a picnic if you were the only refresher/sleeper. Even with /BRD, you have more to do than a COR or BRD would. BLMs cannot be relied on to cure themselves, they'd rely on the RDM for that. Pulling and buffing is fine; pulling, buffing and main heal? Screw that.

[Murphie]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

Agreed. The BLMs I partied with didn't seem to understand that their MP could cure as well as nuke.

[Icemage]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

Unless you're Tarutaru with really good gear and a Bard25+ subjob, Manaburn seriously sucks as RDM. You're the puller, refresher, AND primary mob control.


Icemage

[Feba]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

I'm speaking out of experience manaburning with RDM/BRDs, RDM/WHMs, and BRDs. RDMs are usually more effective sleepers in my experience.

But again, unless you find a rare manaburn where the casting is tight and the pulls consistant, it sucks. And no, not in the same way as a normal PT. Think about a lv10 PT in dunes. Yes, it usually sucks, but noobs pick up quick. manaburns are usually composed of serious players who will listen well and total slackers who refuse to play BLM in a proper EXP PT. Sadly, there's more of the latter, which makes the party very unlivable.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

I'm speaking out of experience manaburning with RDM/BRDs, RDM/WHMs, and BRDs. RDMs are usually more effective sleepers in my experience.

Still isn't true, BRD and COR are better sleepers. Maybe you just had a dumb BRD (that's not uncommon these days). Light Based sleep is stronger in every situation save for light-based mobs.

[Raydeus]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

Still isn't true, BRD and COR are better sleepers. Maybe you just had a dumb BRD (that's not uncommon these days). Light Based sleep is stronger in every situation save for light-based mobs.

Two things.

1) You need to speak about RDM's role and functions in a Manaburn, saying how much better COR is doesn't help Hongman at all.

2) If it sticks (which only doesn't on very dark resistant mobs) RDM's (and BLM's) Sleep is way more powerful and reliable than BRD's, but for Burn purposes that rarely matters.

Also, depending on the situation both RDM and BRD can be the best Sleepers, and RDM+BRD are pretty much unstopable in that regard.


And about COR I have yet to see a decent COR in action, but from what I've heard they aren't very reliable when it comes to crowd control and keeping mobs asleep.

However they do seem to have much better tools than RDM and even BRD for Manaburn setups.

[Murphie]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

For real. I never have any problems with my sleep except on dark based mobs. Let's not spread some rumor about how RDM can't land sleep. We can, and do, and it lasts for a reasonably long time.

[hongman]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

Thanks all....

I guess manaburns aren't all they are made up to be :p

None the less, maybe I'll try one just for kicks. Then disband when the party wipes :p (joke?!)

[Kirsteena]

Re: Red mage in ManaBurn PT

I'm not fond of manaburn as a rdm - nor, with my Wizard's Pesatos on, am I fond of rdm in manaburn - purely from the single target refresh point of view. It is one thing to pull, sing a ballad, run to pull, sing another ballad, but having to refresh 6 people while pulling is rough.

Kitten, I don't know where you are getting your info about rdm sleeping, but unless it is a dark based mob (imps are the ones I am primarily thinking of atm), I know I can reliably sleep a mob for 90 seconds with sleep II, 60 with sleep I. Bard lullaby, with harp, I believe is only 36 seconds. I don't know about cor, but I really don't know what you have against rdm in general. With Fast Cast, and basic gear on which has some spell interrupt down stats (AF body), I rarely get interrupted. How long does a mob need to be asleep for a manaburn?

Hongman, be my guest, try a manaburn, but for pure speed of xp, tp burn will be quicker, and regular parties more satisfactory. My favourite manaburn location is still The Garden of Ru'hmet - but best for that is 6 blm.