Why is SE making our job so diffcult? Give us Refreshra please!!!

[Karinya]

I don't mind not having refreshga - although I think refresh should improve strength or duration with enhancing skill, or refresh2 should be added at high levels (level 70, 80mp same cast/recast time, 5mp/3sec for 3 min for a total of 300 mp restored?). One problem I do have though is the whms that don't haste. I give them 150 free mp every two minutes, AND give the PLD 150 mp so he does most of his own healing, and the whm.. just stands there not casting anything. Doesn't paralyze or slow, I can understand - he's afraid of being resisted, and/or doesn't understand that higher MND makes them more powerful when they do land. Some WHMs don't have much MND gear anyway so I may actually have higher.

But when someone with more MP to start with, getting a ton of free MP from me, and having little to do, wants me to Haste instead of doing it himself, that ticks me off.

If a party has RDM and WHM, WHM should do most to all of the haste. Even if this means RDM has to do some curing (which it probably won't because the whm won't run out of mp even if he is hasting), that still spreads out hate better between the RDM and WHM compared to having the WHM do all the curing (high hate) and the RDM haste (low hate).

But there are a lot of lazy whms who either don't have haste, or don't bother to cast it. Leaving the RDM to choose between an inefficient haste-less party, or stressing their own mp even further to cover for the WHM not doing his job. :mad: Some WHM don't even cast regen2...

[Jonnyram]

Refreshra would suck... think of how much MP it would cost. And then when it runs out and you don't have enough MP to cast it, you'd have to use Refresh on individuals, then wait for them all to run out before casting refreshra again. It would be totally inefficient.

[Shiia]

The only time I might find group refresh to be usefull is when I get a PT set up like Nin/war Thf/Nin Drk/War Brd/Whm Blm/Rdm and me as Rdm/whm (true group at lvl 70s)

I am refresher, Haster, Protecter, Debuffer, main healer and status remover. This is the only PT structure I sometimes totaly forget about refresh till mine wears off -_-;

[bonovoxpsu]

refresh2 WILL be more important then refresh1 or refreshga.



[edit] i have no idea what i mean. i guess i mean i want refresh2 more then refreshga. hey, gimmie a break, its 7:30am here

[Zaleshea]

Originally posted by Jonnyram
Refreshra would suck... think of how much MP it would cost. And then when it runs out and you don't have enough MP to cast it, you'd have to use Refresh on individuals, then wait for them all to run out before casting refreshra again. It would be totally inefficient.

With this said, people will then grow tired of constantly converting just to get the mp to re-cast it lol.

[yepe]

Originally posted by Deodorant
I never compared rdm to whm and blm. You put the words in my mouth. What I was trying to get at, was that here you are bitching and moaning and basically wanting your life to be easier. So what's stopping a whm from wanting his life to be easier, and thus have an auto-cure macro? And likewise, a blm wanting magic bursts to be easier by having an icon pop up that tells him exactly when to cast?

And why stop there? While you're at it, you might as well ask for "mighty debuff," and all-in-one debuff that includes slow para blind gravity and all the blm enfeebles. Oh, also an icon that says "dispel needed" so you don't have to watch for visual or text cues. In fact, might as well go all the way, and just totally automate combat so you can drink coffee and not touch the keyboard at all while leveling up.

Oh, you might say, but healing and MBing are easy enough that they don't need to be made even easier, which would be exactly my point. Refresh duty is extremely easy, and doesn't need to be made any easier.

20+ lvls of Refresh and I dont know how easy to do refresh? Who says anything about being hard to cast refresh? Just run a macro ;p and cycle through the group. It's not hard to do anything in this game if you are patience. It's about being efficient and rdms are certainly not because of lack of the ra spell. Yes, refresh2 will be good but I prefer refreshra because it give rdm more chances to debufs, re-debufs and MB.

Despite what I have wrote, you dont seem to grasp any of those. I'll just give up and let you be as inefficient as SE want rdm to be. Other support job classes get the group spells/songs but what do RDM get for that? You seem to have been in the game too long to realize it. Btw, it is also extremely easy for WHM to cast protect/shell, bar-ra series spells one person at a time per your logic. And why do SE make their life easier? It is not hard at all!!

And about your comment on the "mighty debuff", you can do that through macro(s). So, why do I need that again?

[Kai Leonhart]

Originally posted by Karinya
I don't mind not having refreshga - although I think refresh should improve strength or duration with enhancing skill, or refresh2 should be added at high levels (level 70, 80mp same cast/recast time, 5mp/3sec for 3 min for a total of 300 mp restored?). One problem I do have though is the whms that don't haste. I give them 150 free mp every two minutes, AND give the PLD 150 mp so he does most of his own healing, and the whm.. just stands there not casting anything. Doesn't paralyze or slow, I can understand - he's afraid of being resisted, and/or doesn't understand that higher MND makes them more powerful when they do land. Some WHMs don't have much MND gear anyway so I may actually have higher.

Personally my enfeeb skill is ALWAYS maxed along with my enchancing and healing skill. When I do 'try' to enfeeb my pt yells at me because we have a RDM, so I stop Plus when I get Haste, I will haste the hell out of my dmg dealers ^^ I already Regen regularly!

[yepe]

Originally posted by Jonnyram
Refreshra would suck... think of how much MP it would cost. And then when it runs out and you don't have enough MP to cast it, you'd have to use Refresh on individuals, then wait for them all to run out before casting refreshra again. It would be totally inefficient.

Refresh will all run out at the same time. Just like Protectra, if say refreshra uses 200mp to cast. Make sure to have that amount of mp when timers is almost up unless there is links/adds, then use Refresh for the time being. Refresh will not be obsolete if refreshra is implemented.

[Ednoon]

anyone want some cheese? with STFU on top

[Taki]

Casting refresh is easy, of course. Not hard pressing that macro or selecting the spell from the list and casting it on the right person at the right time.

What bothers me is the tedium. I wonder who thought casting the same spell 721847289 times a day for what seems like every five seconds would be fun. (assuming they were trying to make the jobs fun)

Strangely enough, playing a whm never bothered me much. I guess I was prepared for the role and knew exactly what it would be. Or maybe it's the fact that a red mage has tons of other things to do and spells to cast, instead of focusing on one duty. But I digress..

So yes, I would welcome a group refresh spell. Maybe I could stand playing the job again.

Btw.. everytime someone posts their ideas, they get a lot of 'stfu and don't whine, if you don't like the game just quit'. I don't agree with this logic. Being aware of problems is the way to improvement.

[Rekiem]

I think refreshga would be good for RDM. I just don't know how you guys manage to do it for so many levels. I find that casting Ballad for everyfight is really tedious and repetitive but you guys have it worst since you have to keep track of duration too, change targets and keep racast timer in mind...

[Silkiv]

Re: Why is SE making our job so diffcult? Give us Refreshra please!!!

Originally posted by yepe
I'm sorry but since our job in a party is a big "Refresh" machine, why aint SE giving us a break? Refreshing 5 people in a party is a big PITA having to keep track on who/when to refresh. Give us what we deserve, our trademark spell "Refreshra" and make our job easier. It really doesnt make us anymore powerful but just something to simplify our job. It can be 200mp spell for all I care but after over 10 lvls of Refresh, I am sick of this job! What's worst is spamming Refresh doesnt raise enhancing skill. I have casted at least 100 refreshes before seeing a .1 or .2 skill up. Believe it or not, 5 hrs party and not even 1pt enhancing skill lvl gain. Most weapon skill would have maxed their skill by then after every lvl. What is going on SE? We are one of the most hardworking job class since 41 up and our job never get any easier.

I have seen RDM that dont cast any other spells but Refresh (yes, no debuf or MB, only Refresh) and party still desperately wants them in.

Sorry for the rant but I really hope we can write to SE so they can hear our RDM woes.

Rdm, Whm and Brd are tedious/boring to get them more job invites! :p If you make it easy to be a rdm then more damage dealers will change to rdm and you will have competition.

Also maybe I'm not high enough but if you want to get enhance up go gilfarm monsters... enhance seems to go up every few hours when I refresh, haste, stoneskin, en-, etc constantly.

[Deodorant]

Originally posted by yepe

(random barnyard animal noises)

I'm not going to bother arguing with you. You obviously lack either the comprehension or intelligence to grasp what it is I'm saying, so any further argument will be a waste of energy on my part.

So go ahead and whine some more, and just ignore anything I've said.

Oh wait, you already are!

[Lady Kelenae]

Originally posted by StarvingArtist
Could always ask SE to change Rdms back to the way they used to be with no Refresh, Convert, Regen, and access to higher tier Black Magic. Then you wouldn't have to worry about being a Refresh tank anymore like the old times.

I'll level RNG if that happens -.-

[Karinya]

Originally posted by StarvingArtist
Could always ask SE to change Rdms back to the way they used to be with no Refresh, Convert, Regen, and access to higher tier Black Magic. Then you wouldn't have to worry about being a Refresh tank anymore like the old times.

You wouldn't have to worry about getting unwanted invites before you leave your mog house after logging on, either. In fact you wouldn't have to worry about getting unwanted invites at all. I've heard about the old times for RDM and I have no desire to experience them.

That doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not it would be good to add a refreshra or refresh2, though. But I suspect that if we see these at all it will be in Promathia - IIRC there has only been one patch since Zilart that added new spells (the one that added genkai 5), and I don't expect to see another before Promathia. The last patch was basically just some changes to ballista, and new BCNM and garrisons (and the items that drop from them).