98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

[kuu]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

As for rampage, here's the description.

Fivefold attack with chance of critical on hits.

can YOU read? Mighty strikes makes EVERY hit crit. Not a chance, but 100% ensured. it buffs your weapon skill by pretty much 200% damage than it would, plus a few more hits. It EASILY surpassed the piddily pathetic damage of an EES which is roughly 500 pre patch. probably closer to 300 outside sweet spot now.

Get your facts straight instead of misleading people with false information.

Go mighty-strike your rampage and show me your 1.5k heck show me your 1k rampage on an IT.

We've done it, we've seen it, we've tested it, it's a dang easy test as well. It's not going to be much more powerful then a regular rampage, most of the time you can't tell the difference for your life.

I bet you we can screen shot it, and you'll just tell me I photoshoped it or something...geez... some people...

[Lmnop]

and don't get my started on the fickle uses of Chainspell

the idea is EES is about the most consistent of the offensive 2 hours. How about a sam going nuts with 2 hour on a kazham gob and dealing 500 damage and then 2 hours later, again for only about 90 damage? And Kuu's covered the downsides of the smn 2 hour. He also touched on the Mighty Strikes Rampage that you people are so adamant on arguing about. if Rampage = CHANCE for critical hit, Mighty Strikes makes that CHANCE into CERTAINTY. If any of you are D&D players, think maximize spell.

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It's not increasing your damage potential, it's helping you reach your potential.
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annoying asterisks 'cuz I know most of you are just skimming posts. only reason for the argument in the first place is because no one's paying attention to each other...

[kuu]

Re: and don't get my started on the fickle uses of Chainspell

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It's not increasing your damage potential, it's helping you reach your potential.
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annoying asterisks 'cuz I know most of you are just skimming posts. only reason for the argument in the first place is because no one's paying attention to each other...

Except poweryoga is thinking the max is something normal war's rampaging can't achieve and beyond.

When in fact reality is war's get very close to it very easily. Most of the time, max is mearily 100 damage or less away.

[Whitewinter]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

Go mighty-strike your rampage and show me your 1.5k heck show me your 1k rampage on an IT.

We've done it, we've seen it, we've tested it, it's a dang easy test as well. It's not going to be much more powerful then a regular rampage, most of the time you can't tell the difference for your life.

I bet you we can screen shot it, and you'll just tell me I photoshoped it or something...geez... some people...

you have no clue about rampage!:sweat: please Check the pic rampage with exp PT VS Torama:
rampage doing 1126 without 2h,

[kuu]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

I see...

So it's not a 2hr...

I congratulate you on that... you beat my record of 1024 on VT.

Now show me a 2hr.

Oh yea if i remember right that team is on Seraph, and RK is majorly well equiped. BTL member. oh and lookie bard songs.

The point was 2hr rampage isn't much better then regular rampage.

Well whatever, paint me wrong or, i lost and all that.

[Drogen_Shomuro]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

Proof that:
a) you can still SATA with a rng partner
b) rng dmg is still respectable within the sweet spot (at least aththis level)

Rng 01
Rng 02
Rng 03
Rng 04
Rng 05
Rng 06
Rng 07

Lvl 60 PT, with the exception of the nin who was lvl 61. PT setup was nin, rng(/nin), thf, smn, whm, rdm. We fought raptors and Perytons in VoS. Rng was using Musketeer Gun and silver bullets, and ate squid sushi.



*off topic*
look kuu... 1025 on an IT =p

[Icemage]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

EES's advantage has always been its instantaneous damage delivery, for when you need damage right now, not 15 seconds from now.

Mighty Strikes is nice, and (despite kuu's comments) does add significant damage when you can land hits reliably, but this is relatively slow damage delivery, and is dependent on you actually having TP to activate a WS to get the most out of it.

Astral Flow is also nice, does reasonable damage, but completely drains your MP when you use the 2hr BP Astral Flow gives you, meaning you can't do anything else in between. This isn't necessarily a disadvantage if it ends up being a killing blow (I've seen MB'd Astral Flow BPs for 4-digit damage before), but it's certainly not something to count on. In addition, all the Flow 2hrs are Area of Effect which make it impractical for a lot of XP camps as well as some HNM camps.

While it's true that rangers aren't as powerful as previously, they're still reasonable for XP, but it seems to be a much more difficult job to play, from a technical standpoint. With that said, ~600-700 damage on a raptor on Slug Shot is significantly lower than it used to be.. I remember partying with a tricked out Ranger in Kuftal Tunnel killing Dionisychus and spiders there, and he was hitting 1800-2000 damage on Slug Shot with double Minuet. No way you'd see those sorts of numbers post-patch, and that's a fact.

The jury's still out with respect to whether a well-played RNG can still deal above average damage compared to other melees, but like all jobs which have gotten nerfed in the past, I am sure rangers will adapt and find new techniques to be effective. I don't know if /WAR is the answer, but it seems like it would go a long way towards addressing the damage deficiency at the cost of the defensive possibilities of /NIN, but feel free to place me in the minority of players who don't think that spending money should grant you some God-given right to deal way more damage than everyone else.


Icemage

[Omniblast]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

So how come everyone doesn't sub WAR, since I heard that was fairly good for Ranger subs?

[Icemage]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

So how come everyone doesn't sub WAR, since I heard that was fairly good for Ranger subs?

A lot of RNG/NINs I know are scared like little girls of being hit with Berserk up. Point of fact, however, it's a lot harder for RNG to pull hate nowadays, so /NIN isn't the de-facto choice anymore since you only need Utsusemi if you're actually getting attacked. You don't see DRG or DRK or MNK or SAM subbing NIN very often, do you? Same reasoning applies now to RNG.


Icemage

[poweryoga]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

I'm at a point where there's no IT mobs to lvl up on. Why don't you stop partying with gimp warriors, and find the proof for yourself? I've seen 1.4k Raging Rush (or whatever the Gaxe WS is called) and 1.5-1.6k on rampage (obviously these are not on crabs). Just because you can't do it doesn't mean its impossible. I'm not going to waste my time lvling another job up to 55 just to prove you wrong.

As for subbing nin, most rangers are used to having the extra Racc, and they also sub nin for mandatory blinks in some CoP fights. I know I would be subbing nin anyways in dynamis, vs DL, or going to any of the god fights. Same with CoP, when the chances of rng kiting/pulling hate is 100%, even post patch. (pulled hate on omega/ultima the other day actually)

But I'm at a point where I wonder whether all this +acc crap would do any good. I miss 10-15% more on IT (maybe? hard to tell...) BCNM mobs at optimum range with my full accuracy gear on.

[JP_Ikari]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

Is everyone considering their accu vs the Mob when you guys do Rampage?? I've only seen 1100 on an IT ++ 1 time (damn it forgot his name), but he was crazy enough to go DRK/NIN, Soul Eater, and go Rampage for 1100dmg. Believe me or not, that's the only Rampage that has done 1100 (no 2 hour) off of an IT ++ that I have seen.

JP

[Tipsy]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

I've seen Rampage do over 2.5k dmg on a IT, I've seen Slug Shot do 5k dmg on a VT, I've seen Spinning Slash (?) do 3.1k on a VT, it's not hard all you need is Bard 2hr, full buffs, and pray to god that Dhalmel uses Berserk

anything is possible lol


Bard

[Lmnop]

a few things... not sure if they cling to topic or not

the drk/nin thing.... that's rather reasonable. Souleater damage is HUGE and axe is only B rank for them -- reasonably overcomable with good gear/food. Also, there's rumor about Souleater adding some small amount of accuracy but I'm not gonna bank on that. Souleater is a more powerful buff than Mighty Strikes for Rampage though. No doubt about it.

hmm... I find myself agreeing with Icemage. Any 12 year old can buy gil. money:damage thing's getting stupid. Maybe S-E will increase the yields of using scavenge... that'd be too nice to ask of them.

[Caspian]

Re: a few things... not sure if they cling to topic or not

Maybe S-E will increase the yields of using scavenge... that'd be too nice to ask of them.

It'd be nice, but if they did then a lot more ppl would just lvl rng to 5 and use it. They could make an effect at lvl 40 or something that increased it though, something unique to rng main that was more useful.

All in all though, I am bummed about the nerf but I've decided to make the best of things and stick it out. I'd rather not have to lvl WAR if I can help it (good lord I hate that job, sorry to the WAR's here but I really do), but if I must, I must. On the bright side, though, the rng fallout has made a lot of stuff really cheap. Got scorp+1 rings for 15k a piece and Musk.Gun+1 for 80k. Ebow has dropped to below 10million in the last week and hopefully will continue to go that direction. I've also noted its a bit easier to garner something of a reputation with people I party with, now that I'm not just "one of those rng's". Noticed an increase in invites and such from ppl I've previously partied with. So, yeah the nerf does suck but alteast some good has come from it.

[JP_Ikari]

Re: 98 dmg sidwinder and 48 dmg EES!! Check it after the update

I've seen Rampage do over 2.5k dmg on a IT, I've seen Slug Shot do 5k dmg on a VT, I've seen Spinning Slash (?) do 3.1k on a VT, it's not hard all you need is Bard 2hr, full buffs, and pray to god that Dhalmel uses Berserk

anything is possible lol


Bard

HAHA omg i forgot about the Dhamels. Most i've seen on that is a 900+ DRK/WAR souleater, zerk Cross Reaper. Followed by a 800+ Mistral axe that did fusion for about 250 then the THF ended with a 1006dmg Shark Bite that did 500dmg Light (which i'm happy to say i held hate of off WOOHOO lol).

JP

P.S. I bards, but whenever i'm leveling, there's never any around /cry.