Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

[imac2much]

Originally posted by Spider-Dan
On a side note, I suggest you use Marksmanship for your tests. Archery is erratic and nonsensical.

Try a test with a bow+wooden arrows (120 delay) vs. scorpion arrows (90 delay) and you will see what I mean.

I'm a little confused here. Was archery previously determined to be erratic, and markmanship not? Although this might be the case I haven't seen this information. It seems strange to assume by default that archery testing is insignificant because it is determined to be erratic.

Or if you mean that by mithrael's testing it seems that archery is erratic, and that he should test if markmanship is also erratic, I agree.

[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by imac2much
I'm a little confused here. Was archery previously determined to be erratic, and markmanship not? Although this might be the case I haven't seen this information. It seems strange to assume by default that archery testing is insignificant because it is determined to be erratic.

I'm not discounting Mithrael's tests; I'm just suggesting that he may get more logical and comprehensible results if he sticks with Marksmanship. In the example I just cited, switching to a lower delay arrow (scorps) makes you have to insert a longer /wait in order for the second /ra to work.

I found this out while testing with a Kaman +1 and wooden/scorpion arrows. I have never had a similar result using any marksmanship combo.

[imac2much]

Ah, very interesting. I never knew or heard of that kind of scenario, which was why I was confused.

[VZX]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

Bump for ranged delay topic

I'd like to test about this again with this batch

Longbow vs Shortbow
Hunter's Longbow : Delay 490 + Fang Arrows : Delay 90. Total = 580
Selfbow : Delay 450 + Wooden Arrows : Delay 120. Total = 570

Marksmanship vs Archery
Othinus' Bow + Holy bolt delay = 432 + 192 = 624
Power Bow+1 + Fang arrows = 524 + 90 = 614
Selene's Bow + Fang arrows delay = 540 + 90 = 630

Sarnga + wooden arrow delay= 720+120 = 840
Pirate gun + bronze bullet delay = 600+240 = 840

any further thought for this 1 1/2 years old topic?

[Macht]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

Bump for ranged delay topic

I'd like to test about this again with this batch

any further thought for this 1 1/2 years old topic?

What are you looking for to see if delays add up? from the bow and arrows?

[VZX]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

4 questions I'd like to know the answer from the test
1. is delay calculation from bow vs marksmanship really different?
2. does ammo delay have higher delay/second?
3. does ammo delay /weapon delay ratio matters?
4. does higher delay weapons have higher delay/second ?

[Malacite]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

It's late and so I apologize for not reading the entire thread (skipped page 2 and some of 3 >.>) but have you guys taken into account the recent removal of the TP floor and the increase in TP gain for certain delays?

Most noticeably are the higher end delays, like 512+. Lately with my WAR's great axe I'm getting 14-16 TP per swing when it was 13-14 before.

[Tirrock]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

They didn't take into account the TP changes. Seeing as how this was a discussion that ended on 11-17-2004, 05:48 AM CST until it got bumped up for some odd reason a year and a half later.

[VZX]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

I bump this thread again because I want to investigate delay/second further, not TP/delay matter.
For TP/delay, the new formula is clear enough:

Below 180 : 5.0 + (Delay - 180) x 1.5 / 180
180~450 : 5.0 + (Delay - 180) x 6.5 / 270
450~580 : 11.5 + (Delay - 450) x 1.5 / 30
480~530 : 13.0 + (Delay - 480) x 1.5 / 50
530~999 : 14.5 + (Delay - 530) x 3.5 / 470

[imac2much]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

I'm equally surprised this old thread has been dug up...

[Caspian]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

I'm equally surprised this old thread has been dug up...

Rugal! I'm equally surprised to see you back here. Coming back to FFXI anytime soon?

As for the testing, I guess if Macht and I are ever on at the same time, we could give testing some of this a whirl.

[VZX]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

here's the scrap of delay combination I found:

Longbow vs Shortbow
Selfbow : Delay 450 + Crude Arrows : Delay 126. Total = 576
Hunter's Longbow : Delay 490 + Fang Arrows : Delay 90. Total = 580

Marksmanship vs Archery
Shortbow(360) + wooden arrow(120) = 480
light crossbow(288) + holy bolt(192) = 480

Longbow vs Gun
Sarnga + wooden arrow delay= 720+120 = 840
Pirate gun + bronze bullet delay = 600+240 = 840

Marksmanship vs Marksmanship (for checking ammo delay)
repeating crossbow(144) + sleep(288) = 432
leo crossbow(232) + dogbolt(200) = 432

Lion crossbow (260) + bloody bolt(240) = 500
Velocity Bow(216) + sleep bolt(288) = 504
Notes : WAR,THF, and DRK can do this (no rapid shot activation interference)

[imac2much]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

I actually was planning on returning. Unfortunately after reinstalling Playonline, I discovered that I don't have any content ID to reactivate (makes sense since I've been gone for much longer than the stated 3 months), and the Return to Vanadiel program is over. Oh well.

[VZX]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

I'm curious what's the /wait x result for eurytos' bow + 90 or 120 delay arrows
any idea / can someone test it?

[Malacite]

Re: Why use gun vs HNM / Gods?

Auto-attack is not server side. It (along with a lot of things such as running speed) are based on your FPS (frames per second).

This is why running an overclocked PC can get you accidentally banned >_> (I've seen GM's do it -.- it's not cool, the guy didn't even know he was "cheating")