Ninja... pullers?

[hocuspocus]

ahahahha.

[Navia]

Originally posted by tonka

The thing i don't understand is, if all these people want to dual wield and backstab, and use Utsusemi sparingly, why aren't they playing THF/NIN? This is probably one of the best damage dealing combos in the entire game..

My guess is because THF AF looks like ass compared to ninjas.

And like maxim said, any job can pull. I can put sneak on and single pull anything out of a packed spawn of monsters that detect by sound with carbuncle lol. Noone invites someone to a PT just for 'pulling'

[Kiyosuki]

If the programmer's altered Utsusemi like that, making Blink tanking near impossible they'd have to adjust the other things, or give Ninja's something completely different and new to make up for it. I'd be really, really incompetent of the programmer's if they crippled the class like that without making up for it in someway.

Seriously, if this job had Utsusemi tanking taken away, and none of the other Ninja skills got one single tweak, nor if they got at least one single new ability I'd just quit. I wouldn't want to pay for a game with that kind of judgement behind it. Hopefully that scenerio won't happen. They've probably already gathered info on the whole situation anyways.

[FinalPhantasy13]

I have barely played ninja but I just wanna give my veiw. Everyone play how you want. I play nin/mnk myself and I don't see anything wrong with it so far, even though I must admit I'm a noob to the ninja class. But I have my reasons for picking my classes and its not for what others want me to be, its what i want to be. Everyone has their own playing style and we shouldn't be calling them a waste just because you don't agree. I play how I want and you all can play how you want. Though I agree puller can be played by most jobs, I think square really did intead ninja to be the best at it. Anyway thats just my idea and I'm probobly not gonna check this thread again for a looooong while so don't bother flaming me for it.

[Bamce Sylph]

how about
/ja "Flee" <me>,
/ma Gravity <t>,
/song chocobo mazxxxxforget how to spell it,
/ra <t>
/ja "Chi Blast" <t>,
/ma "Flash" <t>
all result in the mob getting to the group w/o the puller getting hit, and w/o useing blink. the job does not make the puller, its the person behind the pc that makes a good puller and they can be of any job, i'm going to link the ninja tank thread here in case people don't scroll down to read it, we all know no one scrolls down or uses search just reposts they're topics on they're uber job combo thats so rare no one has tried it before, with rare being an euphamisum (sp) for craptastic

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...threadid=33671

[hocuspocus]

Originally posted by FinalPhantasy13
I have barely played ninja but I just wanna give my veiw. Everyone play how you want. I play nin/mnk myself and I don't see anything wrong with it so far, even though I must admit I'm a noob to the ninja class. But I have my reasons for picking my classes and its not for what others want me to be, its what i want to be. Everyone has their own playing style and we shouldn't be calling them a waste just because you don't agree. I play how I want and you all can play how you want. Though I agree puller can be played by most jobs, I think square really did intead ninja to be the best at it. Anyway thats just my idea and I'm probobly not gonna check this thread again for a looooong while so don't bother flaming me for it.

ok ill flame you for it just incase.

your job combo is fine for your level. but i highly doubt someone is going to invite you in a level 50 PT to just to pull...

blink tanking is our fate. just face it.

sub /war and stop bein a useless party filler

[Kirk]

Originally posted by hocuspocus



ok ill flame you for it just incase.

LOL

[gomenasai]

never thought my quaint little ranting would have turned into a big flame

but... i give up, i'm going to stay ninja/ thief, i haven't had a hard time getting parties or proving useful in them, and it's how i want to play. ninja/ warriors, my heart goes out to you if they extend recast time, though i hope they do make this job more balanced so that people can play it in more than one way.

now shoo~ go post on other threads ^^

[hocuspocus]

Originally posted by gomenasai
never thought my quaint little ranting would have turned into a big flame

but... i give up, i'm going to stay ninja/ thief, i haven't had a hard time getting parties or proving useful in them, and it's how i want to play. ninja/ warriors, my heart goes out to you if they extend recast time, though i hope they do make this job more balanced so that people can play it in more than one way.

now shoo~ go post on other threads ^^

job more balanced?! ultra-rofl.


you are a complete and utter retard.

you want them to extend the utsusemi cast time so that YOU benefit by not having to compete with a blink tank because youre a broke ass bastard


who in their right mind would play a ninja / thief? seriously. are you content with ninja melee damage? if so youre on crack. wtf do you do for your PT? if you wont buy shihei...its damn near obvious you cant afford the debuff powder. so what exactly do you do? sounds like a whole lot of nothing.

stop taking the easy way out and actually do something with your class you lazy newbie. you'll appreciate the game and yourself a little bit more.

BTW, take a look at a ninja AF armor. what benefits do they put on the armor? its geared towards blink tanking. and throwing.

that armor is proof as to what square designed our role to be in a party. if you cant afford it or, lack in skill, quit the job already loser

i don't understand how you people get parties with a thf sub on your ninja, you guys must have some pathetic players on your servers lol. seriously. get a war sub or something.



and wtf is this "shoo" crap. i own this thread :D go home. you don't belong here.

[Mewnie]

uh oh, we have a hardcore mofaka on the loose!

[Kiyosuki]

Guys, lets be a little more level headed here.

Ok, here's the truth. You really can use whatever combo you wish to use, but you have to take into account two things: How much you want to play that one class, and weither or not there maybe be another class out there thats more to your playing style. And what helps the overall party effort the most, what fits your class main's style more nicely.

Its like someone who wants to use the Martial Art of Judo, but wants to use the techniques of...Muai Tai while learning to use Judo properly. This may not be the best example because with Martial Arts really, there's an infinite amount of possiblities in variation but if your actually learning the art of Judo first, trying to go about it, a Grapple heavy art thats not as strike orientated with Muai Tai. which is very kick and strike heavy and lighter on grapples, you'd be in a sense, trying to learn a Grappling martial art using kicks and elbows. So you wouldn't get the full knowledge of the movements and techniques while learning it.

I'm not going to claim that I can rob you of your right in this game to try out a combo for yourself and see its faults and strengths for yourself (And no one else really has that right at all), however in Party play, your whole Party is like a body, every person serves a purpose in the overall system of the whole thing. You tend to want to be able to contribute to that system in the greatest way you can which is why Nin/War in general tends to be seen as the most effective Ninja combo. You use Evasive tactics and stealth to nullify damage in every form, and you do balanced damage and can still debuff. Its a backbone combo that really works well, its also quite enjoyable and a lot more flexible than many make it sound. However, combo's like Nin/Thf and Nin/Rdm certainly arn't useless, its just that they don't bring the optimal aid to a partythat Nin/War can bring. Nin/Thf really can do ok damage, if its used correctly, and I have no experience with Nin/Rdm but I really want to try it later, as some things about it could really be useful. But as far as physical damage goes the dedicated Damage dealer's tend to outdo you in that respect and full blown, full frontal damage isn't the Ninja way I don't think. At 30 many classes get very nice and important abilities so at 60, with the right situation and the right, well thought out strategy some things could really work. But know that when EXP pting later on, having character's that bring the most aid to a party tend to be looked for first. So if you decide to experiment with a combo for serious pt use you have to know what your class may be able to do, and what it just plain simply can't do well.

The more I play it and look into this particular class, the more I see its sort of a flexible class kind of like how War is. War/Mnk is optimal for tanking, but War/Sam and War/Thf, and later on War/Nin have they're specific uses as well. I personally think after 60 Nin/Rdm could be a really powerful elemental enfeebler and crippler, that can take advantage of elemental debuffs more than a Red Mage ever could where it matters, in melee combat. Any high level, nice Japanese player will tell you that the key to mastering your job is knowing what works in general, and knowing what specific uses a specific sub can be used for. I know of Nin/War's that have Nin/Rdm, or Nin/Mnk and Nin/Thf at ready for specific uses where it may be a very potent thing to have. But most of them use Nin/War as they're backbone, because its the most general purpose, most party reliable job combo. While we all want to play our own personal style, in this game being a reliable party member is an important thing. I think both needs can be met if you experiment. But know what ususally with all classes, there's one or two job combo's that make you most reliable in most cases, and other's may be so specialized that using it solely on its own may make things very difficult for you.

If you know this though, no one has a right to tell you not to use a job combo you want to experiment with, or pressure you in any way. Even if its known that its not the best, and is prone to failure we all tend to want to see it for ourselves, which is I think one of the biggest parts of this game. Just know that not every combo will make you the best at what you want to be necessarilly.

So it all boils down to this, I thought of wanting to use Nin because it sounded like an offensive class, and it can be. But not in the backstabber kind of way, Thf/Nin is much, much more suited to that. So I had to make a choice, what was more important to me? The playing style or the actual character? I love Ninja's so I chose to adapt to the playing style of how it is in this game, which is a highly evasive defensive character (I'm not that surprised, some fast character's like Shiek in SSBM can be highly offensive, but they're at they're best when used a little more defensive/evasive styled)

I personally want to go with my comrade who wants to use every conceivable War sub for high level use, so she can be a party Swiss army Knife (/Mnk, /Sam,/Thf,/Nin etc) I want to do that too and have /War, /Thf, /Rdm for use. If you want to use another job combination merely to try and escape Ninja's cost factor too its a lost cause. Because although you won't need stacks of Shihei and the other abilities, as Nin/Thf you'll have higher damage with your Shuriken so you may have to really use those a lot if you want to take your class to whatever limit it has and push it, as well as use the enfeebles to a higher degree. Nin/Rdm would be heavilly Elemental debuff based, and the cost of leveling Rdm to 35-37 alone is costly. Even Nin/Mnk has to balance out its relatively low HtH rating with trying to spam every ninja tool it has, and to boot may have to pay a hefty price for some of the best Claws it can get. So no matter what this is a costly job, you can't escape that if you want to be good at it.

So you can use anything you want, but I think it'd be unwise to not consider that your job combo may have some serious limitations, and may not be what it could even be before a certain level. I say if you really want the Ninja job as your main be flexible, and know what works best but know what also works.
Pld's have to sub Warrior in almost all pt's but other combo's have some small, but significant uses too. Nin/Mnk in my opinion may not be the wisest choice because Mnk mains do what you do but three times better, and Nin anything else can use your claws to similar usefulness since its not the damage, but more the great status afflictions some claws bring that a Nin may want to use for certain situations.

So try it, see how it works, and if you feel you're not helping pt's as much as you can, or if its not working for you just try another sub. You can do it again at a later level. I'd have /War and Utsusemi at ready though, for general use though. For any of Nin's class combo's Utsusemi is really one of its best functions no matter what.

I know its a bit of effort but, if you want to be a Ninja type, thats what you gotta do. Its the same for any job really. Nin maybe a little more so.

I really have to stop posting novel long posts.

[hocuspocus]

eh.

could have summed that all up with one sentence

people who play nin/thf in a LvUP PT are useless.

[Kiyosuki]

No its not useless exactly. A lot of things at least function, just not quite as well working as some others. I'd perfer to explain why rather than just tell someone so and so is completely worthless, as that tends to start ego centric flame wars. I'm not going to give false hope and say a combo like Nin/Mnk works wonders, but if I were new I'd at least want to have a better explanation why.

Like Rdm/Nin at least functions, maybe if they were duel wielding mp draining dagger's it could even be pretty decent. But ofcourse its options arn't nearly as good as Rdm/Blm in general.

I will say though, that sub options become really, really boxed in 30-59, and in some cases beyond that. Anyone is free to try whatever they want but some Combo's just can't offer the best they can, at least without great difficulty You can try what you want by all means, to see for yourself. But be prepared for the scenerio that your job combo just won't get anywhere at a certain point. At least, not without great difficulty.

[gomenasai]

i didn't get this game, or post this message so i could be insulted by someone represented as a 2 foot nothing lil stuffed animal, so as i said... stop. i will play how i will play, just as you wil how you will; it's not a big deal. the reason i started this thread was to get opinions on ninja abilities other than utsu, not necessarily criticising how you play, but just wanting some info, which i got plenty of. insults and flames aren't doing anything but getting people more angry, so do yourself a favor and stop checking this thread, i'm sure you have better things to do

[hocuspocus]

Originally posted by gomenasai
i didn't get this game, or post this message so i could be insulted by someone represented as a 2 foot nothing lil stuffed animal, so as i said... stop. i will play how i will play, just as you wil how you will; it's not a big deal. the reason i started this thread was to get opinions on ninja abilities other than utsu, not necessarily criticising how you play, but just wanting some info, which i got plenty of. insults and flames aren't doing anything but getting people more angry, so do yourself a favor and stop checking this thread, i'm sure you have better things to do

ROFL.

ok..

let me ask you honestly, do you have utsusemi: ichi?