ninja question and opinion with something that happen in game

[Cloak]

I see your point Meriadoc

Originally posted by Meriadoc

The problem with NA players (QWEEZY) is that most of them are fiercely competitive...to the point of idiocy (QWEEZY). This is why most of them aren't open to nin/thfs and other viable but less effective job combinations.

Originally posted by qweezy
Actually the more people playing Nin/Thf the happier I am, because you aren't even competition if we are ever the same the lvl and both looking for a PT.

[Koy]

Well if you have a set PT or friends who you play with where there is another main tank then nevermind.

[one true zog]

yeah qweezy, because the whole point of the game is to level as fast as you can and then brag to everyone about it

Some of us plan to enjoy the ride there, and most likey we'll learn a lot more on the way

[Balbados]

There are things I'm willing to explain about this:

There are times when you're going to power level, times when you're going for having fun with friends and times when you're going for just do regular leveling

It's just a matter of preferances depending on situation.. NIN/WAR is a definite way for power leveling to high levels quick and efficient and also versatile with other conditions as well.. NIN/THF is definitely not an option for power level (because they just don't, as qweezy noted, really contribute that much to party without tanking with blink) but it's a fun class to try and do with friends and also works well with just regular party..

I tried playing as tanker with NIN but I do realize that a NIN has more than just those costly powders for blink to be kept constantly.. It has a slow down time of either 20 or 30 secs (much like provoke) and during that time, if your blink wears off, you will need to wait several seconds to recast it again (without being interrupted and have to take some damages).. this brought me to conclusion that you need to also invest into some equipments that increase your evasion tremendously thus making NIN class more expensive than it seems to be..

But yea.. NIN is an advanced class brought in from expansion.. it has to be really good and yet really expensive to be really effective.. Blink jutsu does makes this class an absolute tanker with WAR sub and to make the job effective, you need alot of cash and be ready to burn them for tanking purposes.. much like RNG and their hunger need for constant ammunitions..

Do remember however that people has certain things to do and not just out there power leveling.. Vivid may still at that level because he got some other important stuffs to attend rather than just power leveling.. the progress is just slower with NIN/THF but that's all depends on the ability of the player themselves..

So NIN/THF is not a bad combo.. it's a good combo but not as effective as NIN/WAR.. no point attacking people just because of these differences

[Orlandio]

Nin/thf is lame. I think they only way they get groups is by having really close friends, or the group is desperate for a 6th member. I'd choose a thf, drg, drk, or blm over a nin/thf as a class that doesn't tank. Nin/thf is liked a gimped monk; at least monks hit hard. With sneak attack subbed at level 30, the best you can hope for is a natural crit, no high damage. However, thf/nin is divine.

[Ljarin]

Originally posted by Orlandio
Nin/thf is lame. I think they only way they get groups is by having really close friends, or the group is desperate for a 6th member. I'd choose a thf, drg, drk, or blm over a nin/thf as a class that doesn't tank. Nin/thf is liked a gimped monk; at least monks hit hard. With sneak attack subbed at level 30, the best you can hope for is a natural crit, no high damage. However, thf/nin is divine.

Wierd how I keep getting invited into groups (jap and english ones alike) with my nin/thf then isn't it. Hell I get invites from people I've never heard of all the time.
Funny how I was consistently for 3-4 hours getting aggro from a pld/war (provoking and healing) and a galkan mnk/war last night if nin/thf is so 'gimped' how do you explain that? To the point where some fights despite both provoking every 30 seconds the monster stayed on me the entire time, even through a renkai with a double MB by the same blm I kept aggro right through it.

But I'm a gimp right? keep on believing that, it won't make it any more true.

[Balbados]

I took the time to quote what Vivid said in his thread called "Ninjitsu List" (the sticky one)

thf/nin won't get good ninjutsu until level cap is raised to 80.
nin/thf will never have good job abilities.

those are the pros and cons

pulling job is not interesting, as a matter of fact, it can become quickly tedious.

deul wield speed increases a decent amount. im not 65 yet, so i can't say how much on the third time.

So here's the breakdown of my own conclusion about what's good with NIN/THF, NIN/WAR and THF/NIN

NIN/THF
- Able to cast high level ninjitsus to help the cause of the party
- Very good puller, in par with THF/NIN
- Good amount of DEX and AGI needed
- Not as much cost effective as NIN/WAR
- Fun to play with all of those ninjitsus and a couple of job abilities THF has to offer

NIN/WAR
- One of the most useful aspect of NIN with blink jutsu
- Very costly, still can play with high level ninjitsu spells
- Good STR for damage and has Defender for tanking purposes
- Can get very tedious because you have one of the highest responsibilty among your group: tanker and puller
- Only recommended for players that ready to burn their money
- Equipments that add Evasion = must have

THF/NIN
- Triple attack + Dual weild + daggers = Near non-stop attacks
- Gain the most of all useful THF abilities
- Halved ninjitsu levels and thus the spells are not as effective
- Among the 3 NIN combo classes, this is the most profitable class because of THF main
- The best role would be the relentless attacks, fuidama, and puller

Well those are my assumptions.. I have yet to have a high level chars like lvl 50 however I have seen alot of high level NIN and THF players in action.. Also, been reading alot of useful informations here (Thanks again Vivid! your Ninjitsu list helps alot )

Pros or cons, it will be the players themeslves to decide how useful their NIN combo gonna be

[PhoR]

argueing about which job is the best.

now if all parties were the same, then i could see how an arguement could be made one way or the other (nin/thf vs nin/war).. but they're not. nin/thf has strongpoints, so does nin/war.


there's chill pills for sale on ebay, really cheap!

why argue about crap like this? leave that to the 12 year olds and just have fun!

[Onisan]

I'm not even a NIN yet so I except to be flamed/bashed/yelled at for what I'm about to say, but those are NA players for you.

I'm going NIN/DRK in the end. Why? Because I want to have FUN.
Does the word FUN ring any bells?
You wanna compete? Go play some sports.
NIN/DRK will give me an attack bonus. I don't want to be a tanking whore, nor do I want to rely on Sneak Attack to get me anywhere. So you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to get ATK+ items, and I'm going to melee, and blow all my cash on the Elemental Ninjitsu's.
I'm not looking for DRG or DRK damage in the end, but I am looking at decent damage. Like PLD damage.
and honostly, I dont really care if I hit for 100000000 damage with a single attack, I just want to enjoy my character and be able to play with friends.
Squeenix isn't stupid. They aren't going to make ninja's do mage damage. I'm sure they were designed to be secondary attackers,with thier ninjitsu and thier dual wielding, and not to tank.
I've seen people do this in every game, they find something
about a class that they could abuse, and make it the class's standard. So when people try and make thier own ideas, and play the game the way they like, they get bashed for it.
My advice to everyone, play how you want to play. not how others want you too play.

[Katsuchiyo]

I second that. Final Fantasy is suppose to be about having a good time. I am going to be a Ninja/Monk and I don't really care what you guys think about it. I'll just have to sidekick you in the chin.

[Vivid]

Originally posted by qweezy
Vivid you're only lvl 58 and you're an importer? A year head start? If that is the case you're the perfect example why NIN/THF blows, you could have been lvl 70 a long time ago if you were NIN/WAR, sitting around waiting alot?. It's laughable you're still lvl 58 after so long while there are already players with the NA version hitting lvl 60 soon. I myself am stuck at lvl 55 with Genkai 2 which will probably be done this weekend then I'll be heading all the way to lvl 60. So when I'm lvl 60, does my arguement hold more merit towards yours? I hate it when people use the "I am higher lvl, therefore I know more and I'm always right.".

Ultimately it comes down to this when people are forming a PT, what can a NIN/THF contribute that others can't. What have you been contributing to your PT Vivid using 'the abilities of your job/subjob'? Please don't give me the pulling, treasure hunting, lower resist debuff, and I have mad skillz crap, because any player with a shred of clue knows those are either insignificant/or can be done by just about anyone.

TANK: Nin/War, Pal/War, War
SUPPORT: Bard, RDM, High Lvl War, SMN
HEALER: WHM, RDM
DMG: DRG, DRK, RNG, BLM for magic burst, SAM multi renkei starter, THF to a certain extent
HATE CONTROL: THF

So where does NIN/THF fit in all these? They don't. A NIN/THF is just as pathetic as BST when it comes to contributing to a party, but the BST is the uber solo king.

In the end, you don't have to take my words for it because I could care less about what class or combo you play. Actually the more people playing Nin/Thf the happier I am, because you aren't even competition if we are ever the same the lvl and both looking for a PT.

Way to make yourself look dumb. First of all, do you know me? Do you know my schedule? No. Do you know what I do in the game? No. Therefore, will anyone listen to your non-sensical bullshit? No.

Point number one: I have a life outside of this game. I don't spend every waking minute going online to a fantasy world to raise an avatar up to a higher pinacle to achieve some sort of glory. No. I have homework to do, a girlfriend to appease, and personal things that rank higher than a few online joy rides. Please, at least give me the benefit of the doubt.

Point number two: Because of my life, and the lives of others in my set PT. (Oh good golly gosh, looky at that, I have a set PT.) There were times when I've been on a leveling break for up to nearly a month +. So yeah, the fact that I could've been level 70 is true... If I decided to ditch my friends. Hell, I could be level 70+ by now. So, please, realize who you're talking to before you open your mouth.

Point number three: When not /anon, my nin/thf gets an average of 5 invites every thirty minutes. And has been getting that many invites ever since the 40s. There must be SOME reason why that's so... huh?

Think before you type, you'll save yourself a lot of time in the future.

[infamous gsx]

I though games where suppose to be a challenge, when did picking the easiest route to go become the set standard, but it does seem like that in alot mmorpg these day's everyone running around with the same stuff same char doing the same thing over and over again thats not my idea of fun but whatever to each his own i personaly want to try a ninja monk with hand to hand or ninja thief with hand to hand and daggers. Haveing said that vivid do you know if ninja get the increased duel speed with knuckles or claws?

[Aldo]

Point number three: When not /anon, my nin/thf gets an average of 5 invites every thirty minutes. And has been getting that many invites ever since the 40s. There must be SOME reason why that's so... huh?

Hmm, I remember I PT'd with you in Garlaige ages ago, I complained about DRK not getting PT, you said NIN never gets them too, who to believe. But the frequency of invites I got from lv37 and up was on par with, dare I say, a bard. But um, I sub war because I don't want to lose hate and have anyone get hit.

[Lean]

Guys, it's not debatable anymore, NIN/WAR or WAR/NIN is the only way to go!^^

[Lean]

Originally posted by infamous gsx
I though games where suppose to be a challenge, when did picking the easiest route to go become the set standard, but it does seem like that in alot mmorpg these day's everyone running around with the same stuff same char doing the same thing over and over again thats not my idea of fun but whatever to each his own i personaly want to try a ninja monk with hand to hand or ninja thief with hand to hand and daggers. Haveing said that vivid do you know if ninja get the increased duel speed with knuckles or claws?

If you think NIN/WAR is the "easy route to go," you are very wrong.