ninja question and opinion with something that happen in game

[Mantronic]

1 question do you pony up to buy the whm spells? do you pony up to buy the food needed for a good party for others in your group? Would you pony up for a Rangers bullets and arrows? Asking others to pony up for blink is silly. blink is makes a ninja a great tank with out that your just a sub par thf, once people realize that thf gets treasurehunter2 and other attributes they will pick a thf/nin over a nin/thf.

pony up and buy your white yagu drink 1,200 per bottle last 3 minutes

[one true zog]

I've bought spells several times for my LS WHMs, and lent out food to buds in a pt if they're out. Money isn't a problem for me, but I refuse to spend my hard-earned money on people I might not ever group with again. Sorry, my time /= your fun asshat.

Point is, all you see a ninja as is a blink tossing robot, why don't you stop crying and keep healing White Mage

[Mantronic]

first, your the one that brought up the pony up for blink.
second, ninja is a blink whore job and thats how many people see it, just like saying ranger is a bullet arrow whoring job.
third, your decisions to do things inside a party of friends and LS is nice but you never know what friends you will make by doing that in all your parties, i personally go all out for any group i join food drinks i am even synthing meat kabobs for people you know why cause the game is fun when nobodies is dying and everyone is gaining good exp.
fourth, theres no need to be rude, sorry for me being sarcastic in my previous post but the comment to pony up for powder got to me.


enjoy your play time you obviously do use blink in parties with friends and thats better than most of the ninjas i have seen.

ninja with out blink is like a summoner with carbuncle only or ranger with no range weapon or whitemage without cures. yes i can be done but not very effective.

[one true zog]

yeah, I did...is my answer not good enough? I don't do charity acts for strangers..especially if I have to waste 10-15k just for a pick-up.

ninja /= blink whore...it what lazy players have decided ninjas must be. I'd take a good paladin over ninja, plus it's cheaper too. Yeah, I'm cheap, sue me.

[Koy]

ur just as bad as a rng without arrows or bullets.

ninja = blink
blink = monster missing
monster missing = no damage
no damage = less cures
less cures = more mp
more mp and hp = faster chains
faster chains = more exp

no blink = nin taking way too much damage and dying
dying = exp lost

i could do the same for rng but this is nin board. but maybe in time you will see that a nin is a blink tank, they are expensive but they rule

and if u make a PT at 40+ (i think 44+) get a nin and smn with titan

blink2 + stoneskin = awesome

[Keji]

GaH! All the stuff i wrote in here didnt show up and im too lazy to type it again lol


btw guys cant u get it through your heads??? THIS PERSON DOESNT WANT TO TANK! DOESNT WANT TO BLOW MONEY ON BLINK SO HE/SHE CAN TANK! ok ...get it?

[Cloak]

To all you NIN/THF haters (GWEEZY)

Originally posted by Zwillinge
i dont see why a ninja would want to be a tank in the first place. They are strictly dd and pullers. They can hold thier own like samurai when the aggros get to them, but a pal is a must.

Originally posted by Ljarin


At lv 4x with my Nin/Thf I quite often get aggro from our pld/war, nin/war and mnk/war, that's with the pld provoking every 30 sec and healing himself to try and keep aggro.

I do more than enough dmg to get aggro with or without sneak attack, so far I seem to miss a lot less than everyone else and with blink have no problems tanking for the times I have to when they can't get the mobs off me (and yes that does happen)

Originally posted by Iago
Also important to bear in mind that some of these combinations take some levels to come to fruition.. I can see NIN/THF working fine, but I would probably not set THF as subjob until Sneak Attack would be usable.

Originally posted by one true zog
by the time he gets to that high level, he should have enough friends who know how he plays and will take him regardless.

This game isn't all about cold, hard stats..there's also the social aspect which you cleary fail to see.

[Koy]

Remember you are not the first people to have these jobs. Combinations have already been tested. Some work better than others. nin/thf may work ok, but nin/war is way better

[Ljarin]

Nin/war might be 'way' better *IF* you are going to be a main thank. *IF* you aren't going to be main tank (ie my group of friends already has set people that like doing the role etc and are pld/war/whatever) then nin/thf is just as as good.

People seem pre-occupied with assuming that EVERY single ninja ever created was made to be a main tank, well that just isn't true. Not EVERY single melee class ever created was made to be a main tank, the whole point of having such a diversity of class combinations is so there is some flexibility and not every single player ends up playing the exact same race/job combo doing the exact same thing.

Imagine a group with say..4 melee 1 whm and 1 blm with all 4 melee trying to be main tank. Pretty retarded no? well that's the impression a lot of people give suggesting (and/or insisting) that every nin should sub war and be a blink-tank.

[Vivid]

I have one thing to say:

All you people who say ninja/thief sucks, you can go ahead and tell me that I suck right now cause that's just about what you're doing. Oh, did I fail to mention my levels and my contribution to PTs? Do I need to? No... why should I have to prove myself? The levels says it all...

[Rakhir]

well yeah

I know all these combos have been tested. I think most everyone knows that. I'm a Taru NIN/RDM and enjoy it immensly. Sure I'm sterotyped by some as "teh suck" because I'm a taru who melees, but I've had very little trouble getting PTs and doing what I can to win the battles we need. And thats all that matters to me: being what I want. :p

[one true zog]

ninja = blink
blink = monster missing
monster missing = no damage
no damage = less cures
less cures = more mp
more mp and hp = faster chains
faster chains = more exp

no blink = nin taking way too much damage and dying
dying = exp lost

any idiot would be able to see that by choosing nin/THF that I do not plan on tanking

here's a dollar, go buy a clue

[qweezy]

Vivid you're only lvl 58 and you're an importer? A year head start? If that is the case you're the perfect example why NIN/THF blows, you could have been lvl 70 a long time ago if you were NIN/WAR, sitting around waiting alot?. It's laughable you're still lvl 58 after so long while there are already players with the NA version hitting lvl 60 soon. I myself am stuck at lvl 55 with Genkai 2 which will probably be done this weekend then I'll be heading all the way to lvl 60. So when I'm lvl 60, does my arguement hold more merit towards yours? I hate it when people use the "I am higher lvl, therefore I know more and I'm always right.".

Ultimately it comes down to this when people are forming a PT, what can a NIN/THF contribute that others can't. What have you been contributing to your PT Vivid using 'the abilities of your job/subjob'? Please don't give me the pulling, treasure hunting, lower resist debuff, and I have mad skillz crap, because any player with a shred of clue knows those are either insignificant/or can be done by just about anyone.

TANK: Nin/War, Pal/War, War
SUPPORT: Bard, RDM, High Lvl War, SMN
HEALER: WHM, RDM
DMG: DRG, DRK, RNG, BLM for magic burst, SAM multi renkei starter, THF to a certain extent
HATE CONTROL: THF

So where does NIN/THF fit in all these? They don't. A NIN/THF is just as pathetic as BST when it comes to contributing to a party, but the BST is the uber solo king.

In the end, you don't have to take my words for it because I could care less about what class or combo you play. Actually the more people playing Nin/Thf the happier I am, because you aren't even competition if we are ever the same the lvl and both looking for a PT.

[Ljarin]

No basically it comes down to this:

Does EVERY melee class in your grp need to be main tank?

Answer: No.

Therefore not EVERY ninja needs to be nin/war because they don't ALL need to be main tank.

[Meriadoc]

Yes nin/wars are good....
Yes they make great tanks(if the player invests in blink)
Hence, people will whore the combo.
The problem with NA players is that most of them are fiercely competitive...to the point of idiocy. This is why most of them aren't open to nin/thfs and other viable but less effective job combinations.
example of a non viable job combo would be something silly like sam/blm or whatever.
(Not that I'm insulting anyone who wants to try sam/blm... but that is ONE combo people know won't bring much help to a party)
I've seen the weirdest job combos used to a relatively useful result.. (an elvaan blm/war... jpn player...)
I agree completely that lesser job combos like this will not be of any use in BCNMs or things like that, but when it comes to regular XP, I try to give people a chance to prove their job combo...

Finally... if you think of the description of a ninja, and watch anime and see ninjas, play other games and see ninjas.. Ever see a ninja be a main punching bag? Most likely not..
Nin/thf seems appealing because it combines two jobs that are made for agility and speed..
Nin/mnk using grapple sounds like a very neat idea to me... lots of HP.. counter... kick eventually, and even chakra...(no chi strike sadly.. oh well)

Point being: Quit being so damn narrow minded about other people's job choices, and let them face the difficulties of finding parties on their own, and work on discussing valid points for both sides instead of just sticking to "NINJA IS MADE TO TANK WITH BLINK!!!1111"

*rolls eyes*