Another damage parse, level 56

[Ungerpurr]

Well, thought I'd post another graph, since the last time I did this was during a PT I went from 46-48. We were fighting in the boyahda tree, probably about 4:1 ratio of crabs:crawlers.

My current gear:

Cross-counters
Happy Egg
Temple Crown
Spike Necklace (Justice Badge for Chi Blast)
Spike Earring x2
Master's Gi
Ochiudo's Kote (Temple Gloves for Boost)
Sun Ring x2
Lightning Mantle
Life Belt
Master's Sitabaki
Temple Gaiters

The Dark Knight is well-equipped, 71+18 str 52+4 dex, +27 accuracy, using either Bone Scythe or the +1 (whatever the level 54ish scythe is. I can only assume the Ranger is well-equipped, I didn't inspect, but considering she switched to gun about halfway through the PT (as the graph clearly shows), I doubt she skimps on gear. The Paladin is...well, a paladin, no one invites them for their damage. ^^

In trying to come up with a reason for why I outdamaged the drk so much, the only thing I can come up with is that he was forced to use Shadow of Death to skillchain fragmentation with the ranger. Still, with an average damage of 90ish from shadow of death, and 200ish from vorpal scythe, that obviously doesn't make up the difference. Also, roughly 50% of the pulls were by the rng, so I probably missed around 2000-4000 damage from her pulling damage.

I tried to use chi blast as much as possible; in the beginning of the PT, there were three groups in our area, and so I was landing a 200-300 damage (highest was 364) chi blast on almost every pull. This skews things a bit, but fair is fair, these are the conditions we fight in, sometimes. After about 10 fights one of the groups left; after about 20 more, the other group left, and another group or two showed up near the end.

As a footnote, I was not skillchaining; so I went solo with raging fists almost as often as possible (sometimes I'd wait 30 seconds for focus and berserk to pop, others I knew the drk and rng were about to skillchain and I didn't want to mess things up).

I used Microsoft Excel to make the graph after inputting the info from the parser:

Spyle's FFXI Parser

Anyway, discuss:

[Thark601]

people rarely beleive me when i say i do as much dmg as rng.. but being better equipped than you, i think this parcer should help me

[Hisdon]

you have cross counters, course your doing that much O.o

[Mikeb]

Bah, that parser can't tell difference between mobs and BST pets....

No surprise really though, Monk > all cept Ranger...

[bside]

it's been a well-known fact in Japanese communities that MNK's do the most physical meleeing dmg over time, supported by a number of log parsing results. but for some reason, whenever ppl on this forum says "MNK's do the most overall dmg" many say no.

well, things that i must say;

not differentiating the dmg from different sources, meaning, whether it's melee physical, WS, abilities (like Chi Blast), or else, it doesn't really say anything, if the underlying purpose is to compare MNK and DRK. better post the one w/ more detail.

also, the roles of MNK and DRK r slightly different. why do u think DRK got MP and MNK don't? they stop attacking whenever they use magics, and that slight "pause" will result in a big difference in overall dmg. just because MNK does more dmg, that doesn't mean MNK is better than DRK. just if that's what u r trying to say.

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by bside
it's been a well-known fact in Japanese communities that MNK's do the most physical meleeing dmg over time, supported by a number of log parsing results. but for some reason, whenever ppl on this forum says "MNK's do the most overall dmg" many say no.

well, things that i must say;

not differentiating the dmg from different sources, meaning, whether it's melee physical, WS, abilities (like Chi Blast), or else, it doesn't really say anything, if the underlying purpose is to compare MNK and DRK. better post the one w/ more detail.

also, the roles of MNK and DRK r slightly different. why do u think DRK got MP and MNK don't? they stop attacking whenever they use magics, and that slight "pause" will result in a big difference in overall dmg. just because MNK does more dmg, that doesn't mean MNK is better than DRK. just if that's what u r trying to say.

not to mention we don't get a decent WS till lvl 60, we get two of em...that's another thing, us DRK are flexible being we have two weapons, can fit into almost any skillchain. Either way at lvl 66 things get pretty tied out, with DoT MNK do more but the avarage fight doesn't last long enough for them to get that dmg...by the time we skillchain, they probably have done...300 more, Dragon Kick for 500, Spinning Slash for 1k+1k...who did more?

[Sharma]

It's just a pity that quite a lot of NAs happen to think that Drks > Mnks for melee dmg purely because of the fact that drk is an adv job.

I very strongly disagree with that because from what ive seen drks although they do a lot of dmg (when they hit) their accuracy unless well equipped is god damn AWFUL.

It's just hard to actually tell people this because a lot of people are ignorant on the Bismarck server and refuse to believe it.

[2.0]

Originally posted by Sharma
It's just hard to actually tell people this because a lot of people are ignorant on the Bismarck server and refuse to believe it.

Take out the word Bismarck and replace it with the word every. There are idiots on every server.

[Thark601]

Originally posted by Hisdon


not to mention we don't get a decent WS till lvl 60,

neither do we... raging fists is burnt out before you hit 42... spinning attack don't even count, and we don't get howling fists till 60

[Opie]

y do all other jobs always trying to prove they are better than drk and do better damage than us drks... but every person who post a topic about how they do "more damage than a drk" isnt even 60 yet.and drks actualy get a good ws at 60 with both GS and scythe also we got the acc equip to do more damage then mnks so come back with your little chart at 60 ungerpurr:p

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by Thark601


neither do we... raging fists is burnt out before you hit 42... spinning attack don't even count, and we don't get howling fists till 60

Raging Fist is a lot better than a lot of the other skills we have...lol

[Opie]

Originally posted by Hisdon


Raging Fist is a lot better than a lot of the other skills we have...lol

serious

[bside]

Originally posted by Opie
y do all other jobs always trying to prove they are better than drk and do better damage than us drks... but every person who post a topic about how they do "more damage than a drk" isnt even 60 yet.and drks actualy get a good ws at 60 with both GS and scythe also we got the acc equip to do more damage then mnks so come back with your little chart at 60 ungerpurr:p

what needs to be compared here is normal physical melee dmg, not the WS dmg. also, which WS to use differs from party to party, or rather renkei to renkei, and just because u got Guillotine, that doesn't make u better nor worse than MNK's. wanna try to beat Howling Fists w/ ur Vorpal Scythe? i don't think so.

and what did i say above? "the roles of MNK and DRK r slightly different."

btw, it seems to me that u r trying to say DRK is better than other jobs when it comes to dmg after lvl 60, but if that's indeed what u r trying to say, be aware that the result will be pretty much the same as what's posted here. why do i say this? coz there r tons of log parsing results posted in Japanese communities in such lvl range. and they r now too old to be viewed, thus it's already a history.

and no need to respond to this, just refer to Sharma's post instead.

[bside]

Originally posted by Hisdon

not to mention we don't get a decent WS till lvl 60, we get two of em...that's another thing, us DRK are flexible being we have two weapons, can fit into almost any skillchain. Either way at lvl 66 things get pretty tied out, with DoT MNK do more but the avarage fight doesn't last long enough for them to get that dmg...by the time we skillchain, they probably have done...300 more, Dragon Kick for 500, Spinning Slash for 1k+1k...who did more?

Dragon Kick for 500 - too pathetic. (the max i did w/ Dragon Kick was 1149, average around 850-900. and that's for IT mobs, and non-skeletons.)

also the "+1k" part shouldn't be considered as ur dmg, if the purpose is to compare the dmg done by both. it could be anyone's, which just happened to be urs, the renkei finisher. and u do 1k w/ ur Spinning Slash all the time? i doubt it.

the bottom line is, "the roles of MNK and DRK r slightly different" like i said above.


btw, if any mods r veiwing this, this thread is just another reason for pointless "A is better than B" talks, and u know where it leads...

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by bside


Dragon Kick for 500 - too pathetic. (the max i did w/ Dragon Kick was 1149, average around 850-900. and that's for IT mobs, and non-skeletons.)

also the "+1k" part shouldn't be considered as ur dmg, if the purpose is to compare the dmg done by both. it could be anyone's, which just happened to be urs, the renkei finisher. and u do 1k w/ ur Spinning Slash all the time? i doubt it.

the bottom line is, "the roles of MNK and DRK r slightly different" like i said above.


btw, if any mods r veiwing this, this thread is just another reason for pointless "A is better than B" talks, and u know where it leads...

I've seen nothing but I've only heard from others in my LS what they usually see as dmg...they tell me, Dragon Kick tends to do 500-700 dmg to IT, Spinning Slash does 800-1k dmg. There's also nothing that says I shouldn't add that 1k from the burst, most people usually do that anyways. I don't care if me or the MNK would do it, it just proves my point all the more that both job's light skillchains are sickening and both are very good dmg dealers. The origenal reason I posted here was to point out, the creator of this post has the best posible MNK weapon in the game, I'd be suprised if she didn't trash everyone else. I also seemed to have taken your post wrong, I believed it was saying that MNK and DRK were both good dmg dealers and fairly equal. I was only adding onto that statement and also pointing out that us DRK's CAN make up that DoT...this has nothing to do with "A is better than B" but "A and B both r0x0r ur b0x0rs" from where I stand.