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  • Our 2 Hour Is Broken

    Ok... after reading that interview with Square Enix and there statement about dark knights not getting anymore improvements has got me very worried. To be frank, our 2 hour sucks. In my opinion a 2 hour is an ability that will turn the tides of a bad battle in your favor....it doesn’t guaranty a victory but it helps you get closer to one. Dark Knights 2 hour does not do this.

    Our 2 hour is selfish, it gives us and only us back hit points. But the problem with that is we miss almost 1 out of the 3 hits we can achieve before it wears off. Even if you get all 3 hits your going to get like 200 hit points back and you'll loose them even faster if the monster is hitting you. Yes, you can use it with soul eater for about 300-400 damage and HP in return but that 300 hit points isn’t going to help you if the monster already killed the rest of your party. And most times, you need more than 400 damage to kill the monster or hurt it badly so it’s not really worth it. Also with the Soul Eater combo it will get you insane hate and probably wind you up dead if the group has to use 2 hours to kill the monster in the first place.

    So now I have reached the part of my argument for a alternate suggestion. Dark Knights are the masters of melee damage, shouldn't our 2 hour do damage? So I have 1 suggestion.

    1) Our 2 hour becomes some what like ninjas. Once activated you go on a massive rampage with your weapon. It lowers your delay rate, ups your damage and increases accuracy. You hack away at it for 29 seconds doing a lot of damage and at 30 seconds just before your 2 hour expires, you execute a instant death swing (to the monster)....at the cost of your own life (no exp loss). This would generate lots of hate but if the monster dies before 30 seconds is up you won’t die.

    I also have looked at possible abuses. For example solo'ers using their 2 hour to kill an IT monster and cancel it before 30 seconds. Well to fix that make it so that once you use it… it’s going to run its full 30 seconds.

    Thank you for reading and please post your ideas and thoughts on our 2 hour.
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  • #2
    You have to remember that Dark Knight is not an "assisting" job. It is a damage dealer. There are a few 2hrs that are "Selfish" (thief, Blm) BUT they all have their uses and if you have an imagination they can be useful to the party. Try letting your Pld know before you are gonna use Blood weapon and have him Cover on you while you use it. A good PLD won't lose hate. THF 2hr is "selfish" but not if the Thf does:
    Perfect dodge
    Sneak/WS (gets hate)
    ~flee While the PT regroups or runs if neccessary.

    Same with BLM. DRK is an attacker. Just by being the best attacker you can be you are assisting to the PT by killing the dam monster asap. I don't see it as Selfish. Our 2hour does need a longer duration, OR they need to Guarantee that all 3-4 hits connect. that would be very nice. At least an accuracy boost during the 2hr duration.

    Originally posted by SevIfrit
    we asked for more wyvern control the give us emotes.... /em slams head off desk...

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    • #3
      You can always stack soul eater with your two hour.

      I.E your party is getting a beat down, you put on last resort + souleater + beserk...Ok now your gonna get owned because of hate and lowered defense, buts but if you stack up your two hour with this then you might live and turn the tide of battle in your favor....

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      • #4
        Our 2hour is fine.

        Please don't turn this board into the whine-fest that the DRG board has become.

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        • #5
          Souleater + Bloodweapon works the best.

          Of course with a scythe its like 4 swings
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          • #6
            When I levelled warrior, Mighty Strikes saved my life a few times...

            When I levelled monk, only to 10, Hundred Fists saved me at least a couple of times...

            Blood weapon in 30 levels has not saved my life even once, infact it's barely even healed many HPs because I usually miss all of the 3ish attacks I get before it wears off, then proceed to land the next after it fades.

            I like the idea in the original post... just rename it to something like "Blood Frenzy" =p
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            • #7
              One awsome thing about having sneak attack is that it NEVER misses..

              So if I am by myself, and I need to use blood weapon, I cast sleep on the mob, use sneak attack and get behind it.. BOOM lots of dmg, and it all comes to heal me :D
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              • #8
                i really do understand what you're saying. i'm sure a lot of people out there played war til 18, then mnk til 15, war back til 30, then went drk. its a shame. the only time these people ever get to use a 2 hour is while they're a monk. war's 2 hour completely useless...its just horrible, worse than drk's. its just a shame because so many classes have 2 hours that can save the whole party. i've had parties saved by whm's, pld's, mnk's, thf's, rng's, blm's, nin...but drk never...war never. its a shame

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                • #9
                  Just curious I never heard anyone mention anything about stacking those attacks with Guillotine. Isn't Guillotine suppose to be one hell of a good attack? So bloodweapon with it if possible should be great for getting a good amount of hp back as well as saving the party wouldn't it?


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                  • #10
                    Come on...

                    Ive been saved everytime i use my WAR's 2 hour. Maybe cause you used it with a 1 hand sword it didn't make any diference (im saying that cause ive seen a lot of WAR who don't use GAXE from level 1-18 and sometimes higher). Cuase when you use a GAXE and your doing 44 dmg, and you activate MS then it goes to 88aprox per hit. But if your doing 18 per hit with a sword and you activate MS then you do a puny 35 per hit. I always find myself almost dead, but not dead.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Macht
                      Just curious I never heard anyone mention anything about stacking those attacks with Guillotine. Isn't Guillotine suppose to be one hell of a good attack? So bloodweapon with it if possible should be great for getting a good amount of hp back as well as saving the party wouldn't it?
                      I don't think Blood Weapon stacks with WS's. At least when I do Slice during it, I get no hp return.
                      Thorrion ~ 40DRK / 20WAR
                      Bastok - Rank 5
                      Arwald falls so to his knees, While Akron the black king is laughing...
                      The princess falls down on the stones, with no breath of life anymore...
                      May your ambition lead you to the unholy name...
                      So my soul will fight you forever, in one of the many new hells...
                      Rhapsody ~ The Last Winged Unicorn

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                      • #12
                        Re: Come on...

                        Originally posted by Kibagami
                        Ive been saved everytime i use my WAR's 2 hour. Maybe cause you used it with a 1 hand sword it didn't make any diference (im saying that cause ive seen a lot of WAR who don't use GAXE from level 1-18 and sometimes higher). Cuase when you use a GAXE and your doing 44 dmg, and you activate MS then it goes to 88aprox per hit. But if your doing 18 per hit with a sword and you activate MS then you do a puny 35 per hit. I always find myself almost dead, but not dead.
                        you also attack nearly twice as fast, cutting chances to miss too.

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                        • #13
                          its true though the 2hr is a piece of crap, and no one mentioned if your fighting the undead it wont even work. only thing that would make it decent would be if it did stack with weapon skills.

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                          • #14
                            Ha...

                            Your sarcasm makes me laugh.

                            It doesn't do miracles if you don't know shit how to use them. Sure, 2hr are suposed to "Turn the tide of the battle"...but since the beggining of the battle you know if your going to be owned. So don't think that using them in the midle of the fight will save you (im refereing to melee 2hr:BloodWeapon,MS,BA,etc.)

                            Theye are no miracle savers.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Davyath
                              One awsome thing about having sneak attack is that it NEVER misses..
                              Yeah it does. I missed a few sneaks while levelling Thf in Valkurm.

                              Originally posted by SevIfrit
                              we asked for more wyvern control the give us emotes.... /em slams head off desk...

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