Problems With Groups at 50

[Chike]

Is DRK Overpopulated?

Is a factor that contributes to the lack of parties the fact that there are more DRK's than other melee types? I dont really know, but I want to know because when I get the game I dont want people to just say "Oh, another DRK. Dont we see enough of them?" or something like that. This may stray off topic a little, but I just wanted to ask if the ratio of damage dealers doesnt lean towards the DRK in population, so there can be a little variation.

[jdoe]

Lets put it this way... there's alot of DRK until you hit lvl 30-40... then those of us who are serious about it stay, and those who can't make parties/stand the waiting for invite leave and go play pld, brd, rdm, or whm. DRK had better learn to play very well and make friends otherwise kiss your invites goodbye after Kazham.

[Nightknight]

I've been in parties where half of the party contain DRK's. And just today the jobs that were seeking were drk36, drk37 and drk37/war18 (me) and a blm. No one got into a PT. Everyone had to wait overtime to get into a PT.

For people wanting an adv. job. Please try something else. :sweat: There are too many DRK's out there... im not surprised if there are more DRK's than PLD's. If you don't believe me how long it takes for you to get an invite (and no I do not have crappy equips), level up your DRK to 33 and you'll see...

Squenix should make the DRK quest harder. For SAM and DRG you need help from high levels I've heard.

[Varo]

Re: Is DRK Overpopulated?

Originally posted by Chike
Is a factor that contributes to the lack of parties the fact that there are more DRK's than other melee types? I dont really know, but I want to know because when I get the game I dont want people to just say "Oh, another DRK. Dont we see enough of them?" or something like that. This may stray off topic a little, but I just wanted to ask if the ratio of damage dealers doesnt lean towards the DRK in population, so there can be a little variation.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. The problem with the whole thing is that there are so many jobs that fulfill the damage dealing part. We do, samurais do, dragoons do, black mages do, rangers do, and in some cases the thief does. With so many choices for a damage dealer, it's no wonder we have problems. It may be different if they added more tanking jobs, but its not.

What's more, we DRK's seem to take the backseat in damage in midlevels and even higher levels (however i've never met a dragoon that can outdamage me to this day). Even at higher levels, after we attain Guillotine. I've talked to some high level DRK's and they say it isn't as good as it seems. We also have the problem with hate control. We are forced to hold back in order to keep our lives. Perhaps the new 2004 updates that apparently make dark knights stronger will put us in the spotlight. But for now, we're going to have to live with not being the best.

[Ednoon]

at this point sam and drg do more dmg than me most of the time, chain penta. even a drg can do a 2 way chain in a PT using penta. sad thing is they have to use that till the end of the game thats one reason i stopped leveling up my drg. sam they are great for dmg no matter if the sam is using GK or Spear.

anyway what im trying to say here is they wont make drk stronger im pretty sure we are all well balanced. Sam has 3rd eye to advoid one atk. Drg has super jump to erase aggro. us Drk get the armors defense to uh.. get less hit.

the only 2 jobs they will make stronger would be sam or ninja since they are the newest jobs in game... atleast the last few.

[ryushi]

yea ive seen alot of Samurai's getting picked over DRK on the Caitsith server its rather harsh on the DRK in the future it might force ppl to go SAM rather than DRK..

[Nanila]

Perhaps the new 2004 updates that apparently make dark knights stronger will put us in the spotlight. But for now, we're going to have to live with not being the best.

They're not going to make you DRK's any stronger. If you got told that, the person read the update notes wrong. They said "Dark knights have been strengthened since the past so don't expect anything. With the possibility of increased Demon type mobs, Samurais should also wait and keep an eye open"

Some people have translated that line wrong and thought they meant that they were going to make DRK's stronger. They're not, they're planning to make SAM's more useful with their demor killer ability.

[albert lee]

48-50, all people want to do is genkai.. TT. this is pissing me off. i just join genkai pts so we chain VT's for like 100-120xp, i waited for like 5hrs today.

[Awntawn]

DRK is getting more and more popular because at the end (current level cap which they have no intention of raising for awhile), DRK is the most highly wanted attacking class in the game. One of my PT leaders today said that the first thing he does when starting a party is look for a DRK :p It's to the point where I'm worried we're going to get nerfed in the next patch because it's so imbalanced

[Hisdon]

50-60 is hell for DRK because of Penta Thrust (which I still think sucks.) I've had friends not allow me to join their pts...because I'm a DRK, the other day they made one of the stupidest pts I've ever seen when I sat in front of them while they formed it, and asked ot join.

PLD
THF
BLM
BLM
RDM
WHM

so let me get this straight, no one to fuidama on, no renki, 2 melee? bullshit, should have let me come and not that other BLM...

I'm taking a few days off, hopefully I'll have more luck when more people are my lvl...

[kumaeru]

That pt is a nuking pt.

The Thf fuidamas onto the Pld. No need to trick attack. Thf puts as much hate onto the 1 tank so the monster doesnt move around. More hate on Pld, means more the Blms can nuke.

Rdm refreshes well.. everyone except the Thf.

It works pretty well IMO if the Pld can hold enough hate, and the monster doesnt go crazy attacking the nukers. And only to certain monsters.

[Mentalman]

well i don't know if the original poster of this thread was refering to my post on Warcry, but it was I who put one up about PT issues...i used to sit there and and actually waste time looking and making my own damage comparisons with the SAM and DRG penta chains...and the only time i am impressed is when we are killing weaker mobs looking for coffer keys and such..swing for swing we outdmg and even with penta usually only takes me 2 swings to even out with the dmg they did(IT mobs i mean)...i had my first PT the other night with a SAM(over 51 i mean) and while it was cool watching him use penta over and over with meditate i was like wtf is was only dmging for 90-150 a time...while every swing i was doing 76-100..but no more damage comparing for me its a waste of time cause the fact of the matter is in the 50's groups are a pain to get all the way across the board....and there are a lot of NA players in that level range now...what i say to do is put pally's out of work by using a ninja to tank instead of them muhhaha...ninja's take less hits which means less mp used by the whm which means less downtime...j/k pally's...seriously though unless you are really determined t osuffer then stick it out..by that i mean maybe 1 to 2 levels every two weeks or so then do it...... i had a friend get Guillotine last night and he said it was worth the wait..i am 55 now and 60 is so close but so far away...only other job i plan on leveling is a samurai if i hit 60 other than that if i quit before i hit 60 then i can say i at least tried

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by kumaeru
That pt is a nuking pt.

The Thf fuidamas onto the Pld. No need to trick attack. Thf puts as much hate onto the 1 tank so the monster doesnt move around. More hate on Pld, means more the Blms can nuke.

Rdm refreshes well.. everyone except the Thf.

It works pretty well IMO if the Pld can hold enough hate, and the monster doesnt go crazy attacking the nukers. And only to certain monsters.

you can't fuidama w/ that pt, fuidama takes three people, and I only count 2 melee, last thing I'd wanna see is a mage taking hits for fuidama to work. In this case of the post-yokadoma age, THF cannot run properly w/o a 3rd melee.

[Kuai]

lol you newb. they dont need fuidama. the thief and pld chain a distortion combo and the 2 BLMS MB freeze for 1k damage each. think before you post. And yes. Pentathrust for the lvl its attained owns because a smart player will get 60 tp back making it possible to penta away and away while lowering agro by super and high jumping. i really don't see DRKs getting PT invites because they are shitty trick partners. Hell at 50 i let the thief sneak+trick a viper on me and i penta for 600 after. what other class can lose 500 viper+ 600 penta damage in 1 second? thats right dragoons.

[albert lee]

look whos calling who a noob, how can a pld and thief do a distortion renki at 50? unless the pld is using a G.sword which most pld's dont skill up till later, he will hit for shit, and take a lot more dmg. also a thief that renkis without sneak/trick hits for crap, alot crappier than a drk. ..