Reasons I'm Wary of Inviting BLMs...

[Murphie]

Re: Reasons I'm Wary of Inviting BLMs...

I think most BLM go through an "Ooooh Freeze!" phase when they first start getting Ancient Magic. Most of the good ones get over it after they die a few times.^^

Well, that or they only burst with Freeze if they know it's going to kill the mob.

[greydaze]

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Unfortunately, this is NOT a couple of bad experiences. There is literally ONE good BLM I know at my level that I would invite. ONE. Not a few, not a handful. ONE.

This post was meant to give insight into why I would be loathe to invite a BLM I don't know. You might say it isn't true, that this rarely happens, but the fact of the matter is that it happens a LOT. a hell of a lot. As in, 80% of the time. Idc if you guys don't like hearing the brutal truth, but this is why melee jobs don't invite you. The bad have ruined it for the good. I enjoy SCing with other jobs. I enjoy seeing big numbers when the BLM bursts. But when the BLM is stupid enough to be using higher-end nukes constantly in battle 1) s/he misses the burst, and 2) even if the burst hits, it's too much hate.

You guys should open your eyes. Offended by this post? It isn't about the GOOD BLMs. It's about bad BLMs and how they're ruining YOUR reputation. I talk to people in parties, it's part of what I do. And you know what? These are the SAME complaints I hear about BLMs I PT with from other members. When the BLM bio's a crab? melee>>What a noob! When the BLM overnukes? melee>>God, I hate BLMs. When the BLM asks us to wait for his MP? melee>>Lol.

This is my first job ever to 75. I love it dearly, and I HATE what BLMs are doing to our reputation. I dislike inviting new BLMs to PTs because of the 5 reasons in the first post. It happens a lot. I levelled BLM completely after ToAU came out, and I did it because I had a good reputation as a BLM. Now, as a melee, I am seeing just HOW IMPORTANT that is.

[Murphie]

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So you're saying that it's the BLMs that are the problem, and not the players, right?

[greydaze]

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I'm saying that BAD blm's are ruining it for everyone, yes. If I get sick, as a BLM main, of PTing with BLMs because they do the aforementioned 5 things IN EVERY PT, that is a problem. I think we should put blame where blame is due. I know ONE good BLM at this level and I LOVE PTing with him. Aside from him, I have had many bad experiences. Which is why I entitled this, "Reasons I'm Wary of Inviting BLMs." Not "Reasons BLM sucks." Not "You should all die and burn in hell, loser BLMs!" I know there are good ones out there, but how many melee are willing to troll through multiple PTs with bad ones just to find them?

It takes SKILL to play BLM right. A lot of players seem to be thinking, "oooooo, big damege, me nuk stuf!" instead of playing SMART and doing DoT and spacing out nukes. And it is NOTICED by other players.

With WAR, you hit ctr+a, sit back, use a few macros, and WS once in a while. I'm sorry, but melee jobs rarely take the thought that mage jobs require. Even RNG is ctr+a, shot shot shot, barrage macro, shot shot shot, unlimited shot macro, WS. And there seem to be a lot of BLM today who aren't willing to put that thought into doing thier jobs.

If my post offends you, are you one of the ones who do the aforementioned 5? Yes? Then think about your strategy. No? Then don't be upset; I'm informing you how a BLM herself sees you guys from an outside perspective. Good BLMs are really good, but bad BLMs are really BAD. And they taint the playing field for all of you. Bad BLMs are the reason I dislike inviting new BLMs to PTs. Why risk having hate bounce like a pingpong ball and waste the healer's MP on a bad BLM?

[Mog]

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I guess I fall in the really good category, even though I'm still discovering stuff about my job at my level.

And seriously, if melee's judge me based on their previous experiences with blms.....then it's their loss, not mine. I can make solo experience. Guess what? They can't.

(BTW greydaze, I'd stop before you offend anymore people than you already have. Many people may think of your posts as condescending)

[Murphie]

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I haven't met any of these bad BLMs you're referring to. I have met a lot of bad players, however, and they suck a lot, but I tend to avoid them on an individual basis rather than assume that everyone else playing the job they happen to be playing is also going to be awful.

But that's just me.

[greydaze]

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Maybe it's just Ramuh at this level, Murphie, but I have noticed a LOT of bad BLMs in relation to other jobs.

The reason for this topic isn't to piss people off, but to inform. I hope I've done that, at least for some.

[Mog]

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Maybe it's just Ramuh at this level, Murphie, but I have noticed a LOT of bad BLMs in relation to other jobs.

The reason for this topic isn't to piss people off, but to inform. I hope I've done that, at least for some.

I guess I kind of understand maybe why I don't get invited as much as other jobs at my level. I just don't think what comes to the leader's mind is "Ooh! Another BLM is seeking! They think they're better than us melee and they overnuke! I'm not going to invite. I'll show him! {Mhaura}hahaha"

But meh, it just seems you've had a lot of bad party experiences with blms. I wouldn't know about how other blms do inside the party, as I almost never party with them.

[Valerathon]

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Yes, well I (and others) found the OP not at all helpful in articulating anything more than misconceptions and generalizations about another job. No one here is being disrespectful, and all of us are well within our rights to voice our opinions. Thanks though for stepping in to tell us how we should and shouldn't be posting.

Don't mention it. I'm glad to help. It makes me so happy to see people use words, rather than snark, to express the opinions they have every right to express. In this paragraph, you express your disagreement with such clarity and precision. Everyone should take note - it's an excellent example of the best of forum decorum (what a Taru-tastic phrase).

Thank you for also pointing out how the script in my post came out all blocked - the forum features have changed alot over 3 years, so I think when I previewed, I didn't realise I lost my paragraphs. I've corrected that.

As for the newness of the information, while the OP's point of view hasn't matched my personal experience, I think it very excellently expresses some possible recent trends that may be a part of what some people are seeing recently in game. I think it brings together, in one place, a number of things that the well-read members of the BLM community might know (and some things we don't, like many people learn all the time about the Bio/Dia overwrite phenom), and proposes that there is a common theme (and an image problem, coinciding with the intro of ToAU) running through all of these tactical BLM missteps.

So, Murph, I have to disgree with you. Not only do I think it's a useful, timely contribution to the community's discussion, as far as I'm concerned, you could sticky it.

[Jei]

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Well it's really useless to argue how good "I" am, or "you" are, you know. I know I'm a good one but I'm not going to defend anything. Because, seriously, when I party with other BLM, 90% of the time, they suck.

I don't want to waste my energy trying to defend those horrible Blms. Be proud you're a good blm, is all I can say.

[Icemage]

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If we're going to talk about bad BLMs, we should talk about bad players in general.

The problem is NOT with the BLM job. The problem is that there are players out there who never learn from their mistakes, and I see that at every job. It's just that there are some jobs where it's more clearly visible than others (PLD, NIN, RDM, BLM, WHM).

Who can tell if the Monk in your party has terrible playing skills? I certainly can't unless he makes a fundamentally stupid mistake like using the wrong WS. All he really has to do is hit a skillchain once in a while (and if it's a TP-burn, he doesn't even have to do that much). Who can tell when the DRK in their party has terrible playing skills? Aside from the occasional Stun, does anyone really pay attention to what their Dark Knights are doing? Not really.

I posted it up above, but it bears repeating: There are bad players in every job. 10% of players are great. 50% are average. The rest generally suck. That's my rule of thumb, and it holds true at every job I've seen in FFXI. It's just more noticeable with BLMs because they're glass cannons.


Icemage

[Eauijhkuu]

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As a pld I have had times where it has been difficult to keep hate due to "over nuking" etc. This is normally resolved with a quiet word. Not all blm overnuke or grab lots of hate, most of them can get the right balance, they may grab hate a few times from magic breaks etc, but as a tank I normally can control this and recetify the situation before anything goes badly wrong.

If they keep doing it and ignore your requests, /blist, move on don't invite again. There are plenty of blm out there who do there job well.

Agreed.


One of the main reasons I just really can't get over the fact of having a Ninja tank in parties is due the fact that unless the Ninja is actually incredible with holding hate (In most instances I've been in, never really the case), When it comes time to close a SC with a TA on the main tank, the BLM grabs insta hate for hitting over 1k damage on a mob.

Whenever this occurs when the BLM is only casting the essential spells needed to debuff a mob, I partially blame the party setup. Is the tank able to hold hate? Does the party have a good hate control?

This really isn't the BLM's fault even tho people will blame him of overnuking. The same results, though slightly subtle, are very unlikely to happen with a PLD tank. This is not to say that Ninjas are incapable of doing it, but PLDs can do it without much effort or tweaking.

And such is the typicalness of party mechanics. Because BLM is basically a job made for Burst damage. To ignore their abilities is to limit the potential of your party in alot of ways.

[Eauijhkuu]

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This partially reminds me of the time that a SAM refused to party with my Friend's LV 75 DRG because he kept stealing hate.

[Lambeaus]

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Maybe it's just Ramuh at this level, Murphie, but I have noticed a LOT of bad BLMs in relation to other jobs.

The reason for this topic isn't to piss people off, but to inform. I hope I've done that, at least for some.

If you are ever playing a job at my level, feel free to join my party and play with a good BLM. I know there are bad BLMs. There are bad EVERYTHING. My LS is in Kazaam now leveling our subjobs, and there are few BLMs. I've heard from a few guys that I'm a WAY better BLM than others they have had in their party, and the same goes for the WHM. Makes me feel pretty damn good!

Still, things like this make me glad I have a static LS that knows better and trusts me. People start getting the same attitude you do, and stop inviting BLMs altogether.

[Kirsteena]

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This partially reminds me of the time that a SAM refused to party with my Friend's LV 75 DRG because he kept stealing hate.

Hehehe I had a jpn dragoon that out-tp'ed EVERYONE. The sam was good, and he couldn't understand how the hell this drg was outparsing the socks off him...