New BLM Igqira/Genie Armor - An Analyzation

[Tetsura]

Originally posted by Yoshime
What is the built in Curse effect from the pieces? Is it the one like those curse machines in Beadeux or something else? I have only tried to fight a few things like 50 mobs or so while wearing the weskit and I have yet to see the effect on screen or log message.

I guess the effect has higher probability if you have most if not all the pieces.

I never see it say "so-and-so Mob has been Cursed" but i always see when it loses curse after it has been cursed by my weskit. I havent tried with the Lappas and weskit together, but most likely the probability is increased, but this is only speculation.

Curse kicks in pretty often on lower conning mobs, but fairly rarely on VT and up (though i have sucessfully cursed Dynamis-Beacedine mobs ).

[Yoshime]

Originally posted by Tetsura
I never see it say "so-and-so Mob has been Cursed" but i always see when it loses curse after it has been cursed by my weskit.

What is the visual effect to watch out for this? I'm assuming HP but I'm not sure. I tried this before on about 50 tigers and didn't notice anything at all :confused:

[Tetsura]

Usually see it in chat log. Dont think there's any visual effect.

[Raiyu]

I've noticed a very small HP loss by the mob when it wears off, maybe 5% if that much. Usually only happens on DC mobs or lower. I wear Igqira Weskit and hands since I don't have Zenith mitts or Relic yet, and it seems to proc quite frequently.

[Icemage]

Originally posted by AtraposBLM
I was under the impression that E. Houppelande only added +5 mp while healing?

The way I got the numbers I did was as follows:
First tick takes between 17 and 21 seconds to occur. Subsequent ticks take 12 seconds. This is from 5 months memory...so I could possibly be wrong (I'll be checking again shortly, so if I'm wrong I will correct myself). Auto-refresh gives 1 mp every 3 seconds. Therefore, on the first tick of resting time, Auto-refresh gives you between 6 and 7 mp (rounded up). On Subsequent ticks, auto-refresh will restore 4 mp during that time.

Again, perhaps my memory is faulty, but I was under the impression that E. Houppelande only added 5 MP per tick recovery. As you can see from above, this means that before the 3rd tick, E. Houppelande is actually *behind* a Black Cloak in terms of restoring MP, and after that is only slightly ahead.


lv70 BLM Resting with Apple Pie +1, Dark Staff, and Black cloak:
Tick 1:
24+10+2+7 = 43 mp restored
Tick 2:
24+10+2+4+1 = 41 mp restored
Total Restored: 84 mp
Tick 3:
24+10+2+4+2 = 42 mp restored
Total Restored: 126 mp restored
Tick 4:
24+10+2+4+3 = 43 mp restored
Total Restored: 169 mp restored


lv70 BLM resting with Apple Pie +1, Dark Staff, and E. Houppelande:
Tick 1:
24+10+2+5 = 41 mp restored
Tick 2:
24+10+2+5+1 = 42 mp restored
Total Restored: 83 mp
Tick 3:
24+10+2+5+2 = 43 mp restored
Total Restored: 126 mp
Tick 4:
24+10+2+5+3 = 44 mp restored
Total Restored: 170 mp restored

From there it's simply a 1 mp difference. That 1 mp makes a *smaller and smaller* difference as time goes on. At tick 4, that 1 mp represents 0.5% difference (yes, 1/2 of 1 percent) in total mp restored. This difference will get *smaller* as the mp restored quantity gets larger. As you can see, I find little reason to spend 180,000 gil to gain such a small amount of difference.




If, however, I'm wrong, and E. Houppelande is indeed +8 mp recovered while healing...well then I eat my words and I'll have to buy it to switch to while resting. Curse BLM and the amount of gear we have to switch. Doesn't help that my next job is RDM ; ;


EDIT:: According to Allakhazam, I'm right:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?fitem=3125
But we all know how accurate they are. I'll check once again when in game.

You're right that Errant Houppelande is +5hMP, but your time calculations are wrong.

When you rest, it takes 20 seconds to hit the first tick, and then 10 seconds for each additional tick. Auto-refresh/auto-regen effects trigger once every ~3.3 seconds.

Thus:

After 20 seconds, Black Cloak is ahead by 6MP.
After 30 seconds, Black Cloak is ahead by 4MP.
After 40 seconds, Black Cloak is ahead by 2MP.
After 60 seconds, Black Cloak = Errant Hpl.
Errant Hpl. gains +2 MP over black cloak (as well as AF2/Vermillion), every 10 seconds.

Generally what I do is wear a piece of Refresh gear for the first 16 seconds or so, giving me +5 MP, then I use an equip switch macro to swap into Errant - best of both worlds.

If you're REALLY hard-core you can equip switch every 10 seconds, get 2 mini-ticks on Black Cloak for 2MP, then swap into Errant for the healing tick... but that's awfully tedious, and you'll get some @.@ looks if you do it.


Icemage