Magic Burst respect // Leveling trouble

[AtraposBLM]

you do realize that in order for you to magic burst, there must first be a skillchain (renkei)? Just having one weaponskill (slice) won't create a skillchain, so there will be nothing for you to burst on...

Also - even IF slice somehow created a dark-element renkei (is that transfixion? I forget), how in god's name would STONE burst on it? Dark means dark - it's completely separate from all other elements (save light). So, you could only burst Bio, Bio II, Drain, Aspir, and I imagine Stun (this could be wrong).

[Altruist]

slice is scision so you probably want someone with a light element to do a distortion. Unfortunately trying to get a dkn to use slice at level 40 (my blm level) is next to impossible, even though it will give us distortion instead of just soloing weapon skills or doing impaction against beetles ; ;. I'm pretty sure my 340 dmg blizzaga > your 150 dmg weapon skill.

Unfortunately a lot of melee just want to use there best weapon skills at lower levels regardless if they can mb, or if the mb is useful ; ;.

[navpops]

why do people say Magic Burst looks cool? the Renkei end looks cool , the magic burst looks like the same , old, normal spell.

[AtraposBLM]

seeing a 787 damage spell (thundaga II burst on a torama) looks cool though, no? ^^

and yeah, melee tend to want to use their spiffy new weapon skills as soon as they get them...not realizing that all they're doing is slowing down the party by negating the usefulness of another member.


What would you rather have?
Melee does 1-2 300-500 damage attacks in additiona to their normal 40-80 damage hits (no crits)
BLM does normal 300-560 damage spells, sucks up MP, forces extra resting

OR
Melee does 1 300-500 damage attack and 1 150-250 damage attack (the difference in weapon skills FOR THE MOST PART is very insignificant (aside from ws's gained at lv65, and other exceptions like Dancing Edge, Sidewinder, etc., where they are clearly better than the other alternatives). A dragoon friend of mine FINALLY used something other than skewer/penta thrust, and his damage actually stayed about the same (150-300), but my burst damage jumped from ~515 to just about 800)
and you get weaponskill effect for 100-200 more damage, and a burst dealing 600-900 damage (of course all the damage figures will vary with your level).

Some melee's tell themselves black mages suck for so long they start to believe it. Who cares if you get an extra 100 damage if it's at the cost of 800-1,000 damage overall. Blegh. Maybe now with the new patch melee will start to realize their function - create skillchains so that various members in the party can MB to create more damage. Before it was just weapon skill spam, and the vast majority of my damage was just overkill.

[riceburner4540]

/cheer

[FFXITsukasa]

You can Burst after a weapon skill is used. It doesnt need to be a Renkei. Fast Blade and Aero would make Detonation wouldn't it? Cause I bursted Aero after Fast Blade and I am almost certian it was Detonation. Fast Blade was the only Weapon Skill used.

[navpops]

either

a) you did NOT get a magic burst

or


b) there was a WS you missed before fast blade..


oh, and P.S.. fast blade cannot make any renkei with wind element. it's earth.

[FFXITsukasa]

It was only me and him in a party. How the hell do you guys know the elements of the weapon skills when it doesn't say it?

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by FFXITsukasa
It was only me and him in a party. How the hell do you guys know the elements of the weapon skills when it doesn't say it?

No offense...but I can't see how you're that ignorant.

For someone that posts as much as you, I've never seen ANYONE have less of a clue.


Skillchaining and Magic Bursting are linked together, but are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Knowing the elements of weaponskills involves looking them up. For example: http://ffo.warcry.com/index.php/content/skills/wschains
I highly suggest you read that site.

Unless you used a weapon skill before he did, there is no way that you magic bursted. All you did was cast a regular spell after his weapon skill.

Seriously sukasa, your posts get painful to read at times...

[Arturo-B]

Originally posted by AtraposBLM


Also - even IF slice somehow created a dark-element renkei (is that transfixion? I forget), how in god's name would STONE burst on it? Dark means dark - it's completely separate from all other elements (save light). So, you could only burst Bio, Bio II, Drain, Aspir, and I imagine Stun (this could be wrong).

A dark renkei is a level 3 renkei, comprising 4 elements. The below document from SE details l3 renkeis and their elements.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/vt/extra/03-3.html

[riceburner4540]

i believe he is referring to the level 1 dark elemental skillchain compression. transfixion is the level 1 light elemental skillchain.

You can Burst after a weapon skill is used. It doesnt need to be a Renkei. Fast Blade and Aero would make Detonation wouldn't it? Cause I bursted Aero after Fast Blade and I am almost certian it was Detonation. Fast Blade was the only Weapon Skill used.

you are obviously mistaken here. when you magic burst, you will know you magic bursted...it actually says "magic burst!" did you see this? if not, then you did not burst....simple as that. and there is no way in hell you can burst simply with 2 people and only 1 doing weapon skill. before this recent update, it was possible if the person was a samurai self-chaining with his 2hr or meditate but thats no longer possible because of the multi-hit WS tp gain "fix". lastly, a weapon skill + spell does not equal any skillchain effect. 2 weapon skills = skillchain effect (for example, detonation) which you then magic burst off of.

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by riceburner4540
i believe he is referring to the level 1 dark elemental skillchain compression. transfixion is the level 1 light elemental skillchain.

yeah, that's the one

The lv3 renkei is called "dark", but it has 3 other elements associated with it other than dark, so when I said a dark-element renkei, I meant just the crappy level 1 version, not the ridiculous lv3 one

[FFXITsukasa]

I am not trying to nessicarily figure out how to use Renkei I just wanna know whats up with them. There are so many different things that tell about Renkei yet I don't understand it. Magic Burst is easy you burst with a spell of the same element. I read the arctile "Art of War" which just confused me even more because it seems to place every weapon skill into an elemental category. Meriandle was screaming at me "No, Weapon skills just go together they have no element until put together with another weapon skill" which is confusing me even more. You guys here said something about weapon skills having an elemental value(which that makes more sense than what the hell Meri said). I just don't get WHY certain ones go together. I certainly don't care how to preform Renkei, im a Black Mage why should I know anything but the element of the Renkei itself?Ok now here is what I have gathered from Art of War and other random things. I have an enemy weak to Ice I would want to make a Distortion effect, right? Water and Ice. You have to start with Transfixion, say Power Slash. What I don't get is how do you know that perticular weapon skill will be that specific type. How do you know Flat Blade is Impaction or that Seraph Blade is Scission? Thats the part I am stumped on. And I want to refer to nothing but the information from the game and PlayOnline. No guides. Would you just have to experiment? So its not a fact that I am ignorant just confused. I know about Renkei just not why it works. Thats all I really wanna know.

[Tetsura]

well here you go sakusa, this shows the elements of the diferent weapon skills, and which ones skill chain with the other weapon skills.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...threadid=26106

all credit goes to starving artist, she did a great job with this.

[FFXITsukasa]

Yes! Thank you I understand how and why it works now.