Elv Black Mage

[Tetsura]

Please??

Hi, i'm kinda new to these forums. I played in the beta as a Elvaan War, and a Mithra Thf, but i found myself loving the Elvaan's style so i played for the most part with my Elvaan :sweat:

My Question is this: Is there that big a diference in stats between Elvaan and Tarutaru that i should be a Taru for functionality?
Because i love the way Elvaan look when casting (my friend was a Elvaan Blm), but i know that Taru are fun to play as and are meant to be the casters. So would I have a hard time getting a party at higher levels because i decided to look cool (I prefer the way Elvaan look )


Is there anyway i kind find reliable level 75 stats for both Elvaan and Tarutaru as a Blm/Whm?

If anyone could help out this caster noob i'd really apreciate it.
Thanks

[AtraposBLM]

if you can make money reliably, and don't mind being looked over for partys during off-peak hours, and don't mind having to rest every few seconds in the earlier levels, then go ahead and be an elvaan black mage.

It's very expensive, and you need to stay on top of every single peice of +mp gear you can find, and also wear as much +int as you can.

It's a tough road, but it's one that's been proven to be possible.


Taru's have it much easier, and are much better in the long battles, like BCNMs, boss fights, HNM battles, etc. For partying, elvaans are ok, just don't slack on the gear.

[Tetsura]

sounds like good advice all around. thank you.

But does anyone have more precise stats on the two? I've really been wondering just how great a diference the two races have. I know the basics, like Elvaan have more HP but less MP, and more Str but less Int but can anyone give me some solid numbers?

[Kirara]

i made it to 75
and on the road of smn to 75 right now
people discriminate elvaan mages
but then again, people is stupid

i don't think the road of elvaan blm or whatever other mage is any harder... than another race

[Katipen]

Elvaan BLM

I don't believe anything people tell me about being a bad BLM just because I'm Elvaan. I've done BCNM's and been told I was the best nuker some people have seen. Also, Kirara - what server you on? I think I've seen you before, but I could be wrong. Your sever name is in JP ^_^ Also, at lvl 48 I still havent been over-looked by players, even JP ones. People said I'd never get a JP party because of being Elvaan, heh thats funny cause a Rank: 10 person invited me w/o hesitation. Power to the Elvaan!!

/end ramble

[DrMrLordX]

I don't think Elvaan make good BLM, but that's just the perfectionist in me. Playing an Elvaan BLM to 37 forced me to learn tactics quickly and play at the top of my game to achieve what I would regard as "profound mediocrity". It also took some relatively good equipment. I had +21 int at the end of my run as a BLM, and if I went back to it, I could have +23(got some morion earrings yeahhhh).

It didn't stop some taru who was missing a few spells(Burn? what's that?) and wearing maybe +5 int gear from matching my damage output without lifting his pinky finger. Lazy little so-and-sos.

If you want to learn to play a BLM well, try an Elvaan. When you want to be THE BEST, take that knowledge and apply it to a Taru Taru.

I personally have not experienced much discrimination against Elvaan mages, but that may just be the "we'll take anything" mentality of lower-level NA parties shining through. Elvaan actually make shockingly good whm and rdm. I highly recommend both jobs. Can't say from experience how we do as smn, but with enough +MP gear, why not? Our casting animations are much cooler than anyone else's, too.

[Obano]

If you just want an alternative to Taru Taru so you can melee also, go Hume or Mithra. Both have more MP and Int than Elvaan (lowest Int, 2nd lowest MP of any race).

If you're really in love with the Elvaan, go Elvaan.

Same as a Taru melee. You can do it, it'll just be harder.

Also as with a Taru melee, some people try to compare their very well equipped, well played character to someone else's character with crap equipment and poor skill. This isn't a very good comparison. Better to compare characters with the same skill and equally expensive gear.

BTW, at level 40 Blm/Whm:

Elvaan: 585 HP, 339 MP, 39 Int, 42 Mnd

Taru: 413 HP, 503 MP, 52 Int, 35 Mnd

Hume: 534 HP, 380 MP, 44 Int, 39 Mnd

Taru RSE adds about 100 HP and a few points of Mnd, don't know about the others.

[Chirasi]

With proper equipment/item/skill, Elvaan can be good/excellent BLM.

But Elvaan will never be the best BLM, taru didn't get this "1 or 2 hit been killed" special ability for nothing.

[Stryyf]

YEah Play what you want, I play a Galka Blm and heard it all from "you will never get picked for parties", No way you will even Make it to lvl 40"
well I am a 56Galka Blm have a great timedoing it. I have never played a Taru Blm past lvl 3. and have no desire to do so.
and anybody that tells me it does not work my responce is usualy "how high of lvl have you played a Galka Mage to?"
Have fun it's a game if you don't absolutly suck people with remember you and invite you back.
I get most my invites from people i partied with the night or 2 before or some sends me a tell telling me that so and so recomended me as a good blm.

[Rico]

Go Elvaan, we run funny but we make nice blms I also love how my elvaan blm poses doing black magic ;D

[Taga]

elvaan is the least ideal choice, but race doesn't make that much of a difference. I end battles with around 600 mp so my extra 200 on a elvaan isn't that big of a deal

[AtraposBLM]

I was just saying its harder to get an elvaan past 30's than a taru, simply because the good +mp gear (astrals) is expensive. Once you get past that level, it becomes pretty easy pretty fast. About getting discriminated against, I can tell you that on midgardsormr, before spring break, there were several times that there were 4-6 blm's (including myself...usually in the middle of the range I was looking at) LFP. I got picked first 9 times out of 10 for having a good rep, being a taru with /whm and known not to be an ass.

I'd really say the way people discriminate is the following:
1) If they know you. Can be good or bad (obviously), but if someone partied with you before and saw you were good, and they need a blm and see you LFP, they'll get you over someone they don't know.
2) level. This is obvious.
3) Race - given the choice between 2 black mages I didn't know, 1 Taru and 1 Elvaan, I'd *probably* pick the taru. Simply because if both suck, the taru at least has the MP to cover the suckitude. I've begun to change that though, as I've found the other races tend to have done their homework better (taru's tend to be like, I'm a taru, that's all I need to be a good blm). A shootout, really
4) sub. Depending on what's in my party, I'll choose the person with the best sub. Given a choice between a sam/war and a sam/thf, for example, I'd pick the /war unless our tank was a ninja (and sam was 60+). Also, given a choice between 2 of the same jobs of people I don't know, I'll pick whichever has the higher leveled sub, be it ideal or not

The beginning party levels will be difficult, as you'll have to rest often, unless you can somehow afford astrals

[Arguile]

I'm an elvaan blm. And i'll honestly tell you the difference between elvaan and taru blm's. Taru's have as much mp as elvaans have hp, and elvaans have as much hp as taru's have mp. Give or take of course.

Taru blms CANNOT solo anything, period. They get wasted before you can blink. Elvaan blm's can solo. Point in fact, for my Af2 i solo'd a "tough" water elemental. And i know 30 taru blm's who couldn't.

The extra Vitality+hp means you don't have to worry as much. Taru blm's have to worry, a lot. But it's the price they pay for ungodly amount of MP.

I chose evlaan because i personally don't want to look like a hobbit.

But Taru blm's rock when they're decked out in ubber gear. Lots of MP and INT.

Just remember, most important thing for a BLM is neither INT nor MP, it's elemental skill. And in that, we're all tied.

[wraith203]

First off, I just want to say that my main is redmage, but I do sub blackmage. Also, I agree 100% with DrMrLordX.

Elvaan blackmage is doable if you really like the idea of being elvaan, or you want to melee often(or play melee classes also). Just be prepared for the rough ride you're setting yourself up for.

At low levels especially, the low mp can be quite hard on a elvaan caster. Expect having to rest in the middle of a battle, because you used up all of your mp too fast. Of course, if you have expensive gear and use food, you'll be equal or maybe a little better than the average taru(especially if you use juice for mp recovery), but playing elvaan is just making it hard on yourself.

If you don't want to be a taru for whatever reason(low hp/too cute/etc) then I'd highly recommend hume or mithra. On the other hand, if you're absolutely set on elvaan, then you should go for it, just be ready and use up-to-date equipment and food.


EDIT: once you can wear the elvaan RSE(into 30's a bit), it won't be so bad. And apparently, once you get into the 40's refresh will kick in and solve the mp problem. It'll just be harder getting there is all..

[Taga]

Originally posted by Arguile
I'm an elvaan blm. And i'll honestly tell you the difference between elvaan and taru blm's. Taru's have as much mp as elvaans have hp, and elvaans have as much hp as taru's have mp. Give or take of course.

Taru blms CANNOT solo anything, period. They get wasted before you can blink. Elvaan blm's can solo. Point in fact, for my Af2 i solo'd a "tough" water elemental. And i know 30 taru blm's who couldn't.

The extra Vitality+hp means you don't have to worry as much. Taru blm's have to worry, a lot. But it's the price they pay for ungodly amount of MP.

I chose evlaan because i personally don't want to look like a hobbit.

But Taru blm's rock when they're decked out in ubber gear. Lots of MP and INT.

Just remember, most important thing for a BLM is neither INT nor MP, it's elemental skill. And in that, we're all tied.

I soloed the same water elemental as a taru and I took 0 damage the whole fight. Silence + Sleep II + Bind I can pretty much solo any water elemental that isn't VT+