BST more party friendly?

[Gman]

Re: BST more party friendly?

My 2 cents.

I pretty much skipped page 3 of this thread to comment on stuff from page 2. (the arguments were getting kind of boring)

My best Rampage -EVER- on a Tough mob or higher, as BST/WHM 460 dmg.

Taru BST/WHM level 72

Pick of Trials (D 46 delay 312) Had Tabarzin but trying to work off latents
Spiked Buckler (+5 attack)
Optical Hat (+10 acc, r-acc, evasion)
Royal Guard's Collar (+4 att, +4 acc)
Assault Earring (+2 acc, +5 attack, -2 eva, -3 def)
Pigeon Earring (+20 hp)
Hauberk (+5 str, +5 dex, +10 acc, +10 att, -10 eva)
Creek M Mitts (+6 Str, +65 hp, -3 agi)
Ruby Ring x2 (+4 str each)
Amemit Mantle +1 (+15 att, +15 ra-att, +2 str)
Life Belt (+10 acc)
Thick Breeches (+5 att, +2 acc, -2 eva)
Thick Solerettes (+5 att, +2 acc, -3 eva)

That is just about the best gear a BST can get for level 72. Having HQ thick pieces/Haub, Peacock charm, Juggernaut, and HQ rings would be better, but this setup is still good.

A 460 rampage is pathetic compared to what a warrior can do on an IT mob, and I only managed this on a Tough. Sure, I had WHM subbed, but my gear was excellent, and that was my HIGHEST Rampage. My average Rampage is probably around 275-300 on these mobs (Goblins in Bibiki Bay)

Bottom line, BST's will never be a common invite to a normal exp party the way they are now. No melee abilities, and nothing that makes them stand out from other DD's except a jugpet with maybe 50% accuracy on IT mobs. Perhaps if they change some job abilities or give us new ones, we might be able to contribute, but right now, we are the low man on the totem pole.

Luckily I am close to 75, but if I was in my 60's or 50's I'd be pretty pissed off.

FYI, I've decided not to quit... I'll just craft, fish, and level BST occasionally. I didn't put all that time getting BST to 72 to have S-E shoot me down.

[Aeni]

Re: BST more party friendly?

A 460 rampage is pathetic compared to what a warrior can do on an IT mob, and I only managed this on a Tough. Sure, I had WHM subbed, but my gear was excellent, and that was my HIGHEST Rampage. My average Rampage is probably around 275-300 on these mobs (Goblins in Bibiki Bay)

You realized that subbing WHM versus WAR makes a big difference, right? Consider my own experience with subbing THF and WAR on DRK. First of all, base STR is really, really different. I mean, it's almost as if I went from DRK to RDM when changing those subs. Have you considered using /WAR on BST or even /NIN when you're partying for exp? WAR sub give you access to Warcry and Berserk, which is a plentiful boost to a BST, since they have absolutely no combat job abilities to speak of outside of pet manipulation.

Just my 2 cents ...

(Heck, sub DRK if you want and go with scythe)

[Omni]

Re: BST more party friendly?

My 2 cents.

I pretty much skipped page 3 of this thread to comment on stuff from page 2. (the arguments were getting kind of boring)

My best Rampage -EVER- on a Tough mob or higher, as BST/WHM 460 dmg.

Taru BST/WHM level 72

Pick of Trials (D 46 delay 312) Had Tabarzin but trying to work off latents
Spiked Buckler (+5 attack)
Optical Hat (+10 acc, r-acc, evasion)
Royal Guard's Collar (+4 att, +4 acc)
Assault Earring (+2 acc, +5 attack, -2 eva, -3 def)
Pigeon Earring (+20 hp)
Hauberk (+5 str, +5 dex, +10 acc, +10 att, -10 eva)
Creek M Mitts (+6 Str, +65 hp, -3 agi)
Ruby Ring x2 (+4 str each)
Amemit Mantle +1 (+15 att, +15 ra-att, +2 str)
Life Belt (+10 acc)
Thick Breeches (+5 att, +2 acc, -2 eva)
Thick Solerettes (+5 att, +2 acc, -3 eva)

That is just about the best gear a BST can get for level 72. Having HQ thick pieces/Haub, Peacock charm, Juggernaut, and HQ rings would be better, but this setup is still good.

A 460 rampage is pathetic compared to what a warrior can do on an IT mob, and I only managed this on a Tough. Sure, I had WHM subbed, but my gear was excellent, and that was my HIGHEST Rampage. My average Rampage is probably around 275-300 on these mobs (Goblins in Bibiki Bay)

Bottom line, BST's will never be a common invite to a normal exp party the way they are now. No melee abilities, and nothing that makes them stand out from other DD's except a jugpet with maybe 50% accuracy on IT mobs. Perhaps if they change some job abilities or give us new ones, we might be able to contribute, but right now, we are the low man on the totem pole.

Luckily I am close to 75, but if I was in my 60's or 50's I'd be pretty pissed off.

FYI, I've decided not to quit... I'll just craft, fish, and level BST occasionally. I didn't put all that time getting BST to 72 to have S-E shoot me down.

well, after having 5 days off and getting some decent playing time in, my bst adventures have been pretty bleak as of late. i tried both. making my own pt and seeking for pt. neither have worked. when forming my own pt, i get no replies or thanks for the offer but i'll have to pass as a answer 90% of the time. so any short of tricking people and going anon, forming a pt seems a bit difficult but will still try. seeking is not any better. i see every melee go before me till i am literally the last melee standing. /sea 39-41 all inv goes from 7-9 melee seeking to just me alone after an hour or so. will still keep trying.

thanks gman for pointing out that bst in the middle chunk of levels would be pretty p-o`d. thats how i have been. altepa isnt treating me well, all i find are dc beetles or dc dhamels and VT dhamels, and when i do find a T dhamel, it still some how loves to get me a run for my money.

if anyone has any suggestions for lv. 40 bst solo play, thats different from yuhtunga and altepa, i'd love to try out a new area.

on a brighter note, i finally dinged 75 on nin. been dragging it along for some 3 months and finally grinded it out and finished nin. not really into nin anymore. not sure if i should take the time out to merit nin. anyhow, hope you all had a nice Christmas.

[Thoronas]

Re: BST more party friendly?

this is my new best friend You may have already seen it omni but its a updated list of hunting grounds post patch. The two options for your lvl that you havent already tried is riverine site A which sounds....bad... and crawlers nest with bees and worker crawlers vs bees and crawlers. I'm sorry it's been so crappy for you getting a pt but congrats on lvling nin to 75.

Happy New Year.

[Omni]

Re: BST more party friendly?

riverine site A, have yet to go there will try that out since its a capped area. sounds interesting and from the pictures, it looks beautiful.

cn, well i had thought about cn and i really dislike cn. way too much crap goes on there, i dont even like to lvl there with other jobs. ill give it a shot however, never know, i might find a good spot.

yea the pt thing isnt really something i can rely on. no one will invite you and no one will join you sort of thing. i can muster maybe 2-3 members, maybe b/c they dont check my name before they join but it stalls about there. /shrug

[Thoronas]

Re: BST more party friendly?

I was fighting in riverine last night. It was an ls event so I wasn't soloing but birds were easy as hell to charm and they were almost all T. The exp might not be great because the birds are mostly higher lvl than you but they were doing pretty good against the hippogryphs. Me and asmn friend were easily able to duo firedrakes. Fun times and yes it is a beautiful place.

[Omni]

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im in phomnia aquaducts right now trying to just force my way through lv. 40. i have about 2.5k left and i think ill just suck it up and kill dc->t mobs with a 2hr gloop. xp is ok, slimes are great but dont attack too hard, fights are pretty long. i dont have pm2-4 finished, do i need to have it done to be able to goto riverine site a01?

[Hyrist]

Re: BST more party friendly?

We interrupt this flame war for a Hyristian service annoucnement

I'll just note an issue I have come accorst expirenceing with Bsts in party.

Their pets do tend to give the mob a bit more TP, therefore its a little more frequent to see an Enemy WS. Also the "Sic" Command is a bit too unperdictable. These are some things that SE could improve easially in further updates. (Pet Subdel blow and a option lit for Sic)

On the issue with BST damage vrs Warrior. You are and will always see a Warrior puntching out more numbers than a BST, this is because Warrior stands alone while BST has a pet with him. However, as Party Bst ajust their gear more for damage dealing, as opposed to Charisma, you'll see that signifigant gap close up rather quickily.

Adjustments are being made in both soloing and in parties. From what people have been doing lately on my server, it makes me feel sorry for those who jumped the gun and decided to quit. Still, there is quite some time before we know the full impact of this.

we now return you to your regularly scedualed argument

[Omni]

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adjustments as in peoples attitudes towards bst in pt? im not sure what experices you have had and the frequency of them but i sure have a hell of a time trying to get things going in a pt. granted you might have had a few experiences with a bst in pt but i do not really think that is a trend that will likely be followed by the masses. my server is different from yours but i doubt that the player attitude is any different.

so i guess if you'd want to make a middle of the road, blanket statement about how us bsts dont know the effects of this update then yea, you are correct. we dont know the full impact. however, it is not you that needs to cope with the uncertainty of your job that you enjoyed so much.

[little ninja]

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adjustments as in peoples attitudes towards bst in pt? im not sure what experices you have had and the frequency of them but i sure have a hell of a time trying to get things going in a pt. granted you might have had a few experiences with a bst in pt but i do not really think that is a trend that will likely be followed by the masses. my server is different from yours but i doubt that the player attitude is any different.

so i guess if you'd want to make a middle of the road, blanket statement about how us bsts dont know the effects of this update then yea, you are correct. we dont know the full impact. however, it is not you that needs to cope with the uncertainty of your job that you enjoyed so much.

that being said i went out at lvl 70 an spent around 5 hours+ a night for 3 nights just seeking. i tried places where a pt may go, i tried sitting in jeuno as well as the nation i was crafting in. i did material farming, an powder farming. an in all that time i had gotten no invites. finally ls event time came up dynamis jeuno. so i swap to my ninja. an just then i get a tell from a 72 pt. they said there 71 sam had left the pt 30 mins ago, an they had his replacement coming who just logged on. but now they need a tank..

how odd i was seeking when their sam had left. yet i never got an invite but they could wait 30 mins for a new replacement. people can talk about gear, they can talk about bst+jug damage. but players never come out an mention that FFXI community does not an never will look outside the box. they go to the same exp spot for 12 different jobs. they lvl with the same ol /subjob. an still sterotype jobs just because brady guide says so.. "OMFG dont get the taru, brady guide says they make horrible tanks, "hey gusy thanks for the invite, what we fighting" " i dunno what you suggest?" " gobs in cape are great exp for our lvl an nobody camps them", "OMFG dude i only go to boyada tree"

[busdriver]

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Dunno if they are party friendly just yet, but I've seen a FEW beastmaster in partys lately (majority of them were low levels in 20's and 30's). I myself (bst59/whm30) have yet to see an invite thrown my way. I've had my flag up for the past 2 or 3 days while I craft and farm up some gil, since haubergeon jumped from 5 mil to almost 15 mil in less than 2 weeks -.-. But I think it's just a matter of time before we start getting invites. Only thing I'm worried about is that I'm going to have to start impressing parties with UBER gear, instead of impressing myself with the bare minimum.

[little ninja]

Re: BST more party friendly?

Dunno if they are party friendly just yet, but I've seen a FEW beastmaster in partys lately (majority of them were low levels in 20's and 30's). I myself (bst59/whm30) have yet to see an invite thrown my way. I've had my flag up for the past 2 or 3 days while I craft and farm up some gil, since haubergeon jumped from 5 mil to almost 15 mil in less than 2 weeks -.-. But I think it's just a matter of time before we start getting invites. Only thing I'm worried about is that I'm going to have to start impressing parties with UBER gear, instead of impressing myself with the bare minimum.

thing is i dont think you will get the normal invites unless there is nobody else seeking. S.E put the notions in players minds that we are party jobs. so before patch 0, since the patch 1. in 70 lvls worth.

[Omni]

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Only thing I'm worried about is that I'm going to have to start impressing parties with UBER gear, instead of impressing myself with the bare minimum.

this is one big reason why i enjoy bst. i dont need to have great gear, i can exp in gear that is 10 levels outdated and be perfectly happy. when you begin to party, your gear is more important, since the less you perform, the less effective you party will be, especially if you are melee.

as a bst, i can wear wtfever i choose. if i dont have +15str or +30acc its not a big deal. i dont need to get the best gear possible for my level. the only gear i do put some gil into are +chr rings and my axe. if i die or fail to drop some 200 dmg raging axe, no biggie, my pet will still love me just as much.

[busdriver]

Re: BST more party friendly?

this is one big reason why i enjoy bst. i dont need to have great gear, i can exp in gear that is 10 levels outdated and be perfectly happy. when you begin to party, your gear is more important, since the less you perform, the less effective you party will be, especially if you are melee.

as a bst, i can wear wtfever i choose. if i dont have +15str or +30acc its not a big deal. i dont need to get the best gear possible for my level. the only gear i do put some gil into are +chr rings and my axe. if i die or fail to drop some 200 dmg raging axe, no biggie, my pet will still love me just as much.

**HIGH FIVE**

I think the only thing uber i've ever bought was haubergeon, and I ended up selling it and gave the gil to a friend (quit, but came back ). Oh, and valkyries mask, but it was 200-300k when I bought it, now its like 3 mil. Right now im about to be 60, havent got around to buying kabrakans on account of its 1-1.3 mil on my server. Currently using bst AF, hume pants, light staff, darksteel axe, balance buckler, 2x fang earing, 2x lv. 36 non-hq CHR + STR rings, some cheap ass mantle, corsette, spike necklace, bird whistle, reraise gorget, and life belt. Works just fine for me.

P.S. and I use rolanberry pies for exping, 10k stack >:D