interesting notice for /bsts

[kengosan]

Not bitching or anything, just though it's interesting how /bst can work so well.

/bst works extremely well for a couple jobs lv70+
personally i've seen

75whm/bst solo amemit, 72whm/bst solo volcanic bombs in ifrit's.

73rng/bst solo in Tulia against pots. This guy kill faster than me, and can stay clear of all the pot aoes, if he does get damaged from fail charm, he use bloody bolts to heal. and he is able to release pet with mob having 20~25% HP remaining and slugshot the pot.

And the most powerful one is 75rdm/bst soloing steel shells in boyahda. Rdm/bst is so damn good it's insance, phalanx, stoneskin, refresh, cure4, crazy enfeeblings. if they have to recharm, just heel, sleep2 the mob, then go find pet.

They all have 1 thing in common, which is all of them uses Apollo staff. they do lower charm rate than bst, but in the 30 mins that i watched each of them, none of them uses more than 3 tries to successfully charm 1 mob.

[sudo]

most of us knew this already but glad others are pointing this out too.

Many ppl have complaints about lving up their whm sub for their bst and they just go ahead and sub bst on their whm to solo their way up. It's quite common and does work pretty well.

[Keftenk]

This is a good reason why BST should get future job abilities, passive abilities, and/or, pet abilities.

or at least enhance our killer effects to crazy extremes -_-;

[Starcrossed]

Thf/Bst

Want to farm like its 1999?

Try high level thief/bst. I charm tulwar scorpions out in Western Altepa and MOW down the spiders for their webs. Made 70k in about 2 hours doing that until I got bored and went back to levelling.

Level 60 thief/bst... so no release, but its not really needed for farming. Pet + TH2 ? (Yes Please)

Streak
60 thf
59 bst

[sudo]

I'm doing smn bst for extra TP sic attack on my avatars! (ok complete bs cause it doesn't work but I can always make up stuff to have some fun)

(but if it did work I'd do the following:

get 100%tp and 100% pettp

-> weapon skill -> blood pact damage -> fusion -> sic -> avatar TP attack -> liquification! )

too bad bst gets no magic or I'd MB off of myself too.

(a smn/rdm or blm or nin CAN do this NOW) the patch made this possible. Very fun to try but hard cause of resting ruins MP.)

[StarRealms]

this is ... really frightening to hear... if lvl 75s can tame decent challenges even as close to the lvl of a bst, it ruins bst utility quite a bit ...

[Sanguine]

I've been farming for the past few weeks with BRD/BST (75/37) and the results are the same if not better than BST/NIN or BST/WHM.

Why? I have +57 CHR (more if I could be bothered getting them). I also have an HQ Light Staff which means that I don't fail at all, probably even less than an actual BST.

My Melee is about the same as BST with an Axe, maybe a little less since I use a Joyeuse (Double attacks occasionally and it attacks really fast). So good in fact that I take agro off my Level 75 pets a lot.

This is pretty hax if you ask me =P I've seen WHM/BST using kraken club and owning with hexastrike. In fact, any job that can wear Errant can own with BST sub. I think it's about time Sqeenix gave us something after the level 35 Leave. Right now the only difference is that I can call a jug pet, and jug pets aren't really all that powerful to justify playing a BST Main.

[CarbonFibre]

Originally posted by Sanguine
I think it's about time Sqeenix gave us something after the level 35 Leave. Right now the only difference is that I can call a jug pet, and jug pets aren't really all that powerful to justify playing a BST Main.

Is Amigo Sabotender any good (jug of sun water)? I don't think they have that many special moves, so 1000 needles might work on sic like 1/3 of the time. Not the easiest pets to burn I imagine.

[Deodorant]

Hrm for (any job)/bst, if your bst is equal or higher lvl than (any job), then your charm success is based off (any job)'s level, isn't it?

[Yossar]

Originally posted by Deodorant
Hrm for (any job)/bst, if your bst is equal or higher lvl than (any job), then your charm success is based off (any job)'s level, isn't it?

Your charm success rate is based off of how much CHR you have.

[Rio]

Originally posted by solid-jamz
Your charm success rate is based off of how much CHR you have.

That is part true when /bst. It really does depend on your BST's main level, not just the /bst level.

Example:

Me and guild mate is 75 whm. She's mithra and I'm a taru. I have a little bit more base char than her. Her bst was only lv 35. She went 75/35 bst. She did gauge on those bats in Ifrits, and it said difficult to charm. I did the same thing as 74/37 bst, and it said I should be able to charm. We both had almost the same +chr but I had like +4 more. My BST was lv 67 and her's was 35.

I had a hard time charming robber crabs in kuftal when I was lv 70/35 WHM/BST and my bst was only lvl 38. After I tried it again with lv 70/35 WHM/BST, but this time my BST's main level was 63, and I have no trouble charming them, even without a light staff.

[Izual]

I've seen this lots of times as well, for some reason the actual level of a player's bst is taken into account even when used as a sub. Personally I think this is an oversight, completely overpowered, and takes away from playing bst as a main job. Why play bst75/<anything>37 when you can basically be <anything>75/bst75 (assuming you had a 2nd job leveled, I realize most people don't). This should really be nerfed imo, there's no reason that any lvl75 job should be able to charm the same stuff as a lvl75 bst.

[Sanguine]

I don't think this should be nerfed. Just like subbing WAR and having the same provoke strength shouldn't be nerfed. What should be done however is giving (I've said this before), more abilities after 35. From 35 to 75, I haven't gotten any upgrades besides armor and weapon and some shitty killer abilities. What other job gets jack all after 35?

The ability to choose what you Sic like a Blood pact would be an excellent upgrade at 70. In fact, this would make having a main BST worth doing.

As for the Amigo Sabotender question, it's all about luck. Amigo can do 3 things. Photosynthesis, Needleshot and 1000 needles. So I guess a 33% chance to kick ass and not suck? Compared to like Carrie, Amigo's pure melee isn't quite so hot and doesn't have nearly the same amount of HP I've found.

[Frumply]

charm rate when bst is subbed is equivalent to (main lvl + (bst lvl OR main lvl, whicever is lower)/2. so a 75rdm/75bst would have roughly the same charm abilities of a 75bst (i say roughly, since if you actuallly try it subbed it feels slightly more difficult to charm even with similar amts of chr).

i finally got blm past 70 so I'm using bst sub to skillup and farm at the same time. i can farm the hell out of dhalmels in altepa with the scorps there with no risk involved.

[sudo]

I also don't think it should be nerfed.

The way it works now rewards those who have lved up a bst job in the first place and made it very hard for people who sub a lv 1 bst job just to look elite and rub it in other bst's faces. (ooo look at me, I'm a lv 60 /1bst, I can do everything you can do and I don't even have to lv up)

A bst knows how to solo and maybe he might want to lv up another job. Why can't he solo the other job too?

I personally like this set up. Don't change it.

Sam gets nothing really going for it after 30 meditate. We got 5 more lvs than they did. Count our blessings.

I still dislike that our killer abilities were handed out on shields and earrings to other jobs. Why doesn't anyone else have this? Basically every ability we get that was bst unique is available to other jobs but the other job's killer abilities are not available to us. Totally not fair. (but since the abilities do kind of suck, I don't care too much about it other than feeling things are unfair)

But since this post I think they might be there for the lv 75 bst who is soloing up another job to go and lv up something else while retaining their old abilities? Still unfair but just some sort of excuse to make me feel better.