How many of you BRDs pull?

[lufia22]

Well, there was a topic the other day on another message board talking about how a WAR in a dunes PT forgot his x-bow so they asked the BRD to pull which the BRD proceeded to refuse.

Personally, I have arguments against BRDs pulling in the dunes, at least pre-lullaby. After the dunes, once you get better songs and MP and such, I'm not so sure. Some people on the topic stated that they pulled with their BRD and did so with good XP by going out mid-fight by pulling an enemy and sleeping it at camp. Sounds good to me...but here's my questions:

1.) By doing this you won't be able to land debuffs on the enemy again if they happen to buff themself (finale), your threnody wears off, you need to threnody for an MB, or something like that. However, I guess you could if you went and pulled fast enough. So are a BRDs debuffs and such more important than going off and pulling or is it the other way around?

2.) BRDs can handle links well but if they're the ones pulling, handling links is a bit more difficult due to the fact that they can't take much more abuse than a mage can. So, is pulling at higher levels considered a good idea?

[Soonyi]

I think Bard pull can be good or bad thing... and it is depend on party member job and camp.

For example of good, if my party is in camp and there is 3 other party very close, sometimes my friend asking me to Lullaby next mob so when we are finish this one the next is coming already. But I have feeling that it is not very nice to other party, so I only to do it if they do it first.

Also, my friend is 74 Bard pull with Lullaby and it can be super good exp. He say if you have 2-3 Monk and fighting the dead monster like skeleton, this way your party can chain 20 cap.

For me, I think bad thing is because I do not have enough time to singing all the song like Acc+, Att+, Ballad, Etude, or spell like Bar* if I am run out to there for pull all the time. But for debuff song, I play those song when mob is back in our camp. Song is like range attack so just run home fast la~! To extra safe, I use Blink and Stoneskin.

But imho... I think better if melee job pull in most time. In my party, we have Sam, Nin and War. Sam pulling with arrow or provoke when he has not more arrow. And Nin run another way to try and finding mob faster. I only pull with Lullaby if camping area is super busy with many party.

Goodluck!

Soonyi.

[Laehn]

Originally posted by Soonyi
I think Bard pull can be good or bad thing... and it is depend on party member job and camp.

For example of good, if my party is in camp and there is 3 other party very close, sometimes my friend asking me to Lullaby next mob so when we are finish this one the next is coming already. But I have feeling that it is not very nice to other party, so I only to do it if they do it first.

Also, my friend is 74 Bard pull with Lullaby and it can be super good exp. He say if you have 2-3 Monk and fighting the dead monster like skeleton, this way your party can chain 20 cap.

For me, I think bad thing is because I do not have enough time to singing all the song like Acc+, Att+, Ballad, Etude, or spell like Bar* if I am run out to there for pull all the time. But for debuff song, I play those song when mob is back in our camp. Song is like range attack so just run home fast la~! To extra safe, I use Blink and Stoneskin.

But imho... I think better if melee job pull in most time. In my party, we have Sam, Nin and War. Sam pulling with arrow or provoke when he has not more arrow. And Nin run another way to try and finding mob faster. I only pull with Lullaby if camping area is super busy with many party.

Goodluck!

Soonyi.

That sums it up pretty much. There are a few things you need to consider. If things go wrong as they often do when pulling, are you going to survive with a brd defense? How sure are you that lullaby will land? Are you able to keep up with your main job (support) and have time to pull as well? Is there someone else better equipped defensively or offensively to pull? Will it make a positive difference or is your time better spent doing other things?

Ive pulled undead before, and it worked fine, but i usually have people i could be casting blindna on or casting curagas on during undead battles. Ive heard of people pulling in sky and on weapons for various reasons, but fights work differently late in the game, thats why you see people get super large experience chains. Other jobs have tools like utsusemi, shadowbind, flee, hide, evasion and defense boosts that brds dont have. If youre sitting in a dense spawn area with your party, and sleeping monsters that spawn, its much safer, but i wouldnt call that pulling. If you would choose not to sleep those monsters, they would link or agg your party anyways. Anyone can pull in popular lvling areas too. You'll see whms flashing and blms stunning in those cases.

[Vilurum]

I would not advocate it unless you're in a party doing super-fast chaining. In which case you would run out, pull with Elegy, come back (and sleep it at camp on the off chance the previous enemy's not dead yet), buff melees, run out, pull another, come back (and sleep if necessary), buff mages, and repeat.

If your kills are so fast anyway, there's obviously no need for you to stick around to use Threnody, and you wouldn't be chaining so fast if there was major healing needed so you don't need to stick around for that either. (Though you can toss a Cure III on someone when you're at camp, if it's called for.)

In this situation, although I almost always advocate WHM sub, I think RDM sub would be preferable (due to Phalanx for defense while pulling, and Fast Cast so those buffs spit out faster so you can pull sooner).

Most parties are not gonna be chaining that super-fast, so you will need to take more time on your buffs and backup healing and so on - at which point, of course, some melee can go pull instead.

(Remember the reason you're pulling in the first place - once your buffs are up, you're not contributing as much to the actual killing of the enemy as a melee would be. Hence it's better for *you* to pull while they're still fighting, rather than either a. waiting for a melee to finish killing and then pull, or b. having a melee stop helping kill to go pull before the enemy dies.)

[Sebazy]

I leveled bard most of the way between 20 to 35ish mainly with a bunch of old EQ friends, and for these levels I did the majority of the pulling for the group.

Although tbh, I wouldn't say bard is particularly suited for it most of the time, I just pulled pretty much through habit since I did a ton of raid and xp pulling in EQ (As shaman amusingly).

However bards absolutely shine at pulling in the Garliage Citadel basement at level 48/51ish imho, the stuff down there was so weak to lullaby, I frequently had 2 beetles queued up and ready to be killed until jealous rival groups nearby started diagaing my beetles :dead:

Since then, about the only time I pull is if I'm doing a 4xblm/smn/brd group =/

[Lostbeatz]

i pulled last night , lol ....in crawler's nest....i was sick of waiting for ranger to pull...and i was pulling and finding the soldier crawlers faster than him (hmm...i guess he was using widescan often)..
(using that requiem song...)

but it worked...im just a pimp ass brd...



we were still getting #4's and a few #5's

[frisbee]

funny, the only time i've ever pulled was in the Crawler's Nest.

I just Lullaby them, and run back to camp and wait for it to show up. Not something I want to do as a Bard on a regular occasion though, but it can definately be done.

[Faranim]

High level, fast-chaining parties rely on bard pulling because the other members don't have the freedom to run away from camp and find the next target like a BRD can.

For example, EXP Chain #9 at golem camp requires the BRD to pull the next golem when the current one is still around 50% HP.

EXP Chain 21+ is possible by chaining weapons in the Shrine also.

[Keyura]

i was pulling last night, 5 blm 1 brd pt, they'd rest while i found a sand lizard in kuftal, i'd pull with ice threnody, i'd sleep soon as it was near camp, then go with ballad I and II and let them freeze it, we got chain 5 before we cleared the room, us and got damn amemit campers >_<

[Russta]

My Bard pulling for a three Monk LS party last night. We had a set route to run and it was my job to run ahead, pull the Skeletons with something then Lullaby them just ahead of the current battle.