Funding for Signa

[Pandar]

jesus christmas lvl 40+ without a signa -_- you should've had signa prepared the moment u start bard

[Lokan666]

51 and no staff here...

And you can suck my... ?

It's purely cosmetic.. hell I doubt I'd even xp with it...

[SyNapSe]

you should've had signa prepared the moment u start bard

That's an idiotic comment. If you simply built one job up to 30 and switched to Bard.. you would most likely have no clue what the Signa was nor how to get it, and obviously wouldn't have the Gil.

At any rate I'm using Shellbuster.. which is +4 CHR, +7 HP or something. It doesn't seem worth going to get the Signa now. I decided to do some farming and buy Corsette +1 and Jester's Cape +1 instead. That's +4 CHR over the normal versions, and it helps to lower the negative stats of the corsette plus larger boosts to DEF on both I believe.

[Outaru]

Originally posted by mIze
Can I give you some advice, ultimate goal or not? I'm 55 right now, and have +27 chr in gear (I wear 2 mana rings, so potential +31 with chr rings). I equip shellbuster, which is +4 chr instead of signa's +8.

At this level, 4 more charisma really just doesn't make much of a difference, definitely not enough to notice. For BCNM, Mary's Horn is way way more important than signa. Charisma is like Int in terms of debuffs, it determines the chance of successfully landing a debuff (sleep being a debuff also), and barely has an effect on how long a mob is slept. You might get 1 or 2 seconds from having a signa over your AF1 paper knife in BC40. With Mary's Horn you would get substantially more time because it enhances the power of Lullaby, and doesn't effect the chances of landing it.

My point is, Signa is a cosmetic item at later levels. When you can use Shellbuster, signa would primarily be more for flash and less for effect. I will only ever buy it if I could afford it (with plenty left over), which I've never been able to. Take your time and spend it wisely, level up and use your money on improving your other gear and keeping up to date with songs. Nobody should ever consider you less of a bard for not having a 230k item as long as you have your songs and you're doing your job well.

Thank you for posting this, I have a couple of high level friends that have been picking on me for not having it. As a lot of posts point out the cost and the time involved in getting one is simply not worth it. I have to admit I was feeling a little weak about not having it but with this thread I am like ???? it now :-) I will focus on the other things mentioned in this thread.

Same on me for not knowing this but ShellBuster is a staff? What lv can I wear it? I finally hit lv 40 last night should I wear AF1 knife or this item? I currently have the below:

Rings that give +2 = 4 chr
Bird whistle
Nobles ribbon
wold mantle +1
and a belt that does +1
so my chr I believe is 42+14

that sound decent?

[Neplak]

Rings that give +2 = 4 chr
Bird whistle
Nobles ribbon
wold mantle +1
and a belt that does +1
so my chr I believe is 42+14

that sound decent?

Sounds Decent , thing i would get next would be a "Corsette" or the "Corsette +1" if you can afford it. Either of these are a nice chr boost and becomes usable at level 40

[Outaru]

Just decent :-(

Yeah I am going to hit the AH when I get off of work today and buy a corsette since I finally got to 40.

There is another thread out there saying CHR is not that important that your instruments are more important that items with CHR boost stats. Also he believes in mp boost items... I assume in favor of +CHR items

Any opinions on this?

[Neplak]

Instruments that gives + to songs are for sure the most important.

But in abit you will have all of these since they are not THAT expensive and then Chr kinda becomes the main issue (and + to skill items also have had a hard time to determine how much they accually helps thou).

Accually pre 50/55 i mainly aimed for +mp items since resist wasnt much of an issue (other than in BCNMs).

[PetriW]

If you're a level 15ish bard thinking about buying a signia just buy two astral rings instead, 50mp will help far more than a signia until at least 48 (where I am!).
I have a signia and mostly use it for 1) bcnm 2) adds / trains.

Of course, if you're rich just get both the signia and the rings.

As for nobles ribbon, for the most part a silver hairpin is better.

[_Revere_]

The Monster Signia is the worst possible buy for a Bard and worst possible investment item. There are so many other items a Bard should have over this staff.

Who in their right mind would pay 400,000gil for a staff that gives 4 more charisma than a shellbuster and knocks down vitality by 5.

I'm the first line of defense in the crowd control department. While we don't get hit often, when we do, we get hit hard and a good Bard is a live one.

1)Get your +1 instruments
2)Get your Gobbie Bag quests done.
3)Get your Mary's Horn
4)Get the armor for your level
5)Get the Jesters Cape +1
6)Get the Corsette +1

If it costs less than 100,000 gil per charisma and doesn't take away -5 vitality, then it is a better investment than this staff.

I personally think its that "I want it!! I got to have it!!" over logic.

I know the next two things I'm going to say are generalizations but I've never seen a 70+ Bard wear the Monster Signia and when I do see a Bard with this staff they are very under equipped in other areas.

edit+I wonder how much this staff would go for if it didn't have an interesting graphic.+edit

Farm the Signia for money, don't use it

[Neplak]

Just out of curiousity what does these level 70+ wear instead of the staff? melee weapons is kinda useless since melee damage is crap worth on higher level so atleast i only have my weapon slot as an extra statslot and +8chr +5mp is the best i have found for it and the negatives i dont really care about not as an elvaan atleast

[Rawdog]

On the contrary, I have not seen a 70+ bard WITHOUT a monster signa...

Basically, if you are using a shellbuster instead of a signa then you are simply not wearing the best equipment possible.
For those who say that +4 chr is just +4 chr, well it may not make a noticeable difference, but the difference is there. For rare classes such as BRD and RNG, people will usually expect the best from you, mostly because you stand out from everyone else. Unfortunately, if you are not fully equipped with the best items, well then people will not think as highly of you, and will most likely pick you over a bard who takes the time to make their character the best it can be. If this does not bother you, then you should be just fine

[Outaru]

Originally posted by Rawdog
On the contrary, I have not seen a 70+ bard WITHOUT a monster signa...

Basically, if you are using a shellbuster instead of a signa then you are simply not wearing the best equipment possible.
For those who say that +4 chr is just +4 chr, well it may not make a noticeable difference, but the difference is there. For rare classes such as BRD and RNG, people will usually expect the best from you, mostly because you stand out from everyone else. Unfortunately, if you are not fully equipped with the best items, well then people will not think as highly of you, and will most likely pick you over a bard who takes the time to make their character the best it can be. If this does not bother you, then you should be just fine

Best is a relative term, as you can see in some of my other threads some people prefer mp over chr, in which case best would be two astral rings, and lets be real here, 2 astral rings vs that overpriced staff, come on you know which one you would choose. Backup healing is a critical bard role which helps a lot more with downtime than a staff that is 400k that will slightly help your chances of landing a debuff song. Would I like to have the staff sure, will I ever buy it hell no.

I agree with the other posts in this thread the stafff is all for show, you can buy a lot better items to make yourself a better bard.

[Lokan666]

Actually.. the idea behind the staff is for the CHA boost so you CAN wear those +mp rings and not suffer from the CHA loss on pearl rings etc..