Funding for Signa

[Kweh]

I've just hit lvl 43 Bard, and my ultimate goal was to try and get the Monster Signa when I hit Lvl 40.

Now I know its not a required item, but I would still like to get this.

For all the bards out there, how did you get enough money for it? Everyday for the past few weeks I have gone to Giddeus in an attempt to camp Hoo Mjuu, but its always full of high lvl wars, thfs etc, who I have no chance of beating.

So, my only other resort is to pay for it. How can a Bard make that much money? We can't farm at all.

[PetriW]

I did it through fishing. :sweat:

But with your level you can get a couple of good people together and farm bcnm40. Even with my party having @#% poor luck today only getting one Erase, one Phalanx and one Utsusemi in 6 runs we still made 80k gil each in about 3 hours.
In our 6 bcnm40 this weekend we made about 220k each.

[Kweh]

Would i be able to pull off a BCNM40 without Mary's Horn and Monster Signa though?

The only income i get at the moment is from my overnight bazaar, selling insect paste by the fishermans docks in windurst. That gives me 7k or so a day at the most. That's about a month to save for Signa!v:sweat:

I need another way, I have lvl 29 in cooking if that is worth anything...

[Soukin]

if fished a lot... and during bad moons i farmed with a level 10

i did try killing Mjoo whatever... but after 4 kills (and 3 gloves 1deodorize) i was greatly discouraged.

[Wreck]

Fishing what.. Moats?? Damm. I wish I had the patients for that.

[mIze]

Can I give you some advice, ultimate goal or not? I'm 55 right now, and have +27 chr in gear (I wear 2 mana rings, so potential +31 with chr rings). I equip shellbuster, which is +4 chr instead of signa's +8.

At this level, 4 more charisma really just doesn't make much of a difference, definitely not enough to notice. For BCNM, Mary's Horn is way way more important than signa. Charisma is like Int in terms of debuffs, it determines the chance of successfully landing a debuff (sleep being a debuff also), and barely has an effect on how long a mob is slept. You might get 1 or 2 seconds from having a signa over your AF1 paper knife in BC40. With Mary's Horn you would get substantially more time because it enhances the power of Lullaby, and doesn't effect the chances of landing it.

My point is, Signa is a cosmetic item at later levels. When you can use Shellbuster, signa would primarily be more for flash and less for effect. I will only ever buy it if I could afford it (with plenty left over), which I've never been able to. Take your time and spend it wisely, level up and use your money on improving your other gear and keeping up to date with songs. Nobody should ever consider you less of a bard for not having a 230k item as long as you have your songs and you're doing your job well.

[Kweh]

^^ Thankyou for that very informative post. I didn't know there was another weapon that gave CHR boost, such as the Shellbuster. I think I will make Mary's Horn my priority now, and concentrate on getting Shellbuster when I'm a high enough level. At my current level I think my CHR is 45 + 17 or something, I'm taru, so a +4 difference in CHR from Shellbuster to Signa may not be worth the money at all, as you've pointed out.

From here on my funds will be for the Mary's Horn

[Dezlen]

I farmed Stray Mary for a week to get enough for my signa. Killed her about 5 or 6 times in that period, she dropped the horn 3 times. Sold 2 horns (at 150k apiece), and with that cash and the money made from the other sheep parts I had harvested, I bought my signa (at 300k) and a few other nice items.

Too bad her horn took a nose dive in price (90k now). I still go back there when I have some farming time, on hopes it will drop again.

[xarddrax]

Originally posted by mIze
Can I give you some advice, ultimate goal or not? I'm 55 right now, and have +27 chr in gear (I wear 2 mana rings, so potential +31 with chr rings). I equip shellbuster, which is +4 chr instead of signa's +8.

At this level, 4 more charisma really just doesn't make much of a difference, definitely not enough to notice. For BCNM, Mary's Horn is way way more important than signa. Charisma is like Int in terms of debuffs, it determines the chance of successfully landing a debuff (sleep being a debuff also), and barely has an effect on how long a mob is slept. You might get 1 or 2 seconds from having a signa over your AF1 paper knife in BC40. With Mary's Horn you would get substantially more time because it enhances the power of Lullaby, and doesn't effect the chances of landing it.

My point is, Signa is a cosmetic item at later levels. When you can use Shellbuster, signa would primarily be more for flash and less for effect. I will only ever buy it if I could afford it (with plenty left over), which I've never been able to. Take your time and spend it wisely, level up and use your money on improving your other gear and keeping up to date with songs. Nobody should ever consider you less of a bard for not having a 230k item as long as you have your songs and you're doing your job well.

My thoughts exactly...Signa isnt worth the 300K+ once you hit lvl 48. Marys Horn is worth it much more....thank god its cheaper than Signa.
Shellbuster is only 4k on Midgard.

[SyNapSe]

My thoughts exactly...Signa isnt worth the 300K+ once you hit lvl 48.

Yup. I wanted the Signa bad at low levels, but now I have Shellbuster (+4) CHR, and only 5k gil also. I bought a corsette +1 for +6 CHR.

I also prebought a Jester's Cape (+7 CHR) and only about 5k. I can't wear it yet, but that would seem to be plenty of +CHR to me.

[Krumble]

Here's how I went about buying items:

You have the cheap stuff, absolutely should not leave jeuno without:

jester's cape: 7 chr, 5k gil
corsette: 5 chr, 5k gil
shellbuster: 4 chr, 5k gil
pearl rings: 2 chr each, 5k gil

Then you get to the investments:

Jester's cape +1: 3 more charisma, 150-200k more (about 50-70k per point)
corsette +1: 1 more charisma, about 50k more (50k per point)
moon rings: 1 chr more each, 60k each (60k per point)
monster signa: 4 more charisma, 300-340k (about 70-90k per point)
earrings: 1 chr each, 150k each (150k per point)

As you can see, with the exception of the evasion earrings, most of these items offer very close to the same CHR/gil pay off. Depending on your server, of course. The monster signa is great because it happens to be a level 17 item. The earrings are eh.. 150k per point of CHR, (300k per point for the +1 versions) is kind of stretching it a bit.

If you can justify spending 60k per CHR point, 70k should not be that bad. Costs of songs is basically inconsequential (yes, even minuet 4 and carnage elegy included) compared to other classes. AF armor, while not the greatest stats ever, is easy to do and completely free and will work till 73. If you can't justify 50k per primary stat point and are already playing one of the cheapest jobs out there.....

The effect of CHR at the later levels is definitely still noticeable. The difference between going from 30% added primary stat to over 60% added primary stat is huge, in terms of sleep resists, threnodies, and carnage elegy. The level 59 Elegy, especially, is incredibly helpful if you land it the first time, every time.

All that said, cornette +1, traversiere +1, "the ranger one" +1, and mary's horn all take priority over even the jester's cape +1.

[Gauvain]

I still want Monster Signa it's elite. :D

[Soukin]

I agree... i considered using my money for other things other than signa...

For example i could pretty much buy all the OTHER gear i would ever need for that 320k i spent. (not the badass stuff)

The reason i did get signa was simply because... not many have it and yes its elite. Another thing to consider is that it wont be dropping in value any time soon so i can always sell it back a good investment imo.

(and yes i did fish moat carp... a lot of moat carp...)

[Neplak]

Personaly i didnt fell a need for the signa at lower levels resists wasnt really that big of an issue.... now at this point in the game it a very beloved item since resists is kinda becoming an issue at this point.

62 +38chr atm and everything i look for on items now is chr (and mp in second hand).

But if you are to pick between the signa and marys horn then go for the horn but in the long end go for both.

Pre 55 i found chr to be overrated... but now... its the most important thing for a bard for sure.


For the farming part, we might not be the best farming class in the game but we can farm, i myself am killing tigers in battalia for fangs/stealing fruit seeds from the sapplings and that gives an steady income of 10k an hour with my 15 thf as sub + the cash i get out from growing the fruitseeds in my moghouse

it might not be the best but its an income and been doing it since around level 53 or so.

[Gauvain]

Well here is my lowly experience so far, I'm lvl 16 bard with just about every +CHR I can get, about 20 base (Hume) +10 (no signa), and still my foe requiem gets resisted maybe 1/4 of time. Not a big deal but it still annoys me.

I just bought Mary's Horn (only 80k on my server) and a few +1 instruments, I wear Noble's Ribbon, 2 hope rings, Bird whistle for CHR (i didnt see anything else +CHR I could wear at this lvl).

Personnaly, if you're gonna camp anything, i much rather buy the 80k Horn, and camp the Monster Signa. I still had no luck with drop, but I'm going back to camping when my bard gets a few more lvl, there is no doubt to me I'll end up finding it sometimes cause I just don't quit lol. It's kinda overcamped but overall you should get at least a few kill a day. My friend found 2 in a day on a lvl 24 job, aparently the chance of drop is largely based on how close your job lvl is compared to the Nm. I camp on a lvl 30 war wich should give me a close enough chance % I guess.

I didn't really have a problem affording all the other items I need except Signa, I just don't wanna pay 300k+ for that. I mean +8 CHR should give me a good boost for a long time, even tough some say it won't make a big diff in the long run, this is a lvl 17 item and I intend to wear it close to 17.