O.o Think About it

[ibroyles]

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If a blue mage is to be a redmage-like class, then so be it! we need more supportive classes, because... we have... TWO.

Quoted for emphasis. As was previously stated though, we don't even know what roles BUM can fill yet given so little information. ASSUMING they are another support job I can honestly say they will be welcome in parties, just like BRD and RDM(and also SMN, if you consider them support).

[WishMaster3K]

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I was gonna say Link Control, maybe, like BST were intended to do, lol, but then I realized that it may make them a solo class by default.

I'm sure I'll pick the job up and be the best BLU ever. So don't worry, I'll tell you all about pwning BLU Maat, lol!

Seriously, I can't wait. Might breathe some life into my old bones. I've been awfully sick of RDM lately. I hope that you don't have to spawn a mob via a ??? or go to a BCNM, because that means just like with NPCs, it'll take a year and a day.

[IEatMyGil]

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yea then again if the are adding JOBS not a JOB id like to see the others >_> dancer was floating around in some forum but thats kinda lika brd so id count that out, then again they might add another DD(noooo >_>) or Tank(yay) Class

[ln14jr]

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Personally I would screw Blue Mage altoghether and anyone who could find a use for it. I mean seriously, nothing could it do that a Red Mage could'nt do already.

Now a "GeoMancer" that would be cool, where your magic power and stats would vary depending on the weather type, and special items you have. You would get to be able control the enemy's weaknesses and use different elemental effects on the suroundings and onto your party (Simular to what a Black Mage can cast only better since the power varies on weather conditions.)

I still have yet to see how a 'Blue Mage' could serve any purpose for a party.

Well hmm... You don't know what you gonna get and you assume that it will be terribly lousy job. What if BLU (I prefer this 3-letter code name), ends up being a terrifically good job. And like Balfree said, what if BLU was a good support job like RDM and BRD (which I am particularly fond of)....

Be careful what you say into stuff like this. You might end up eating your words when BLU turns out to be a great job.

PS. I am a big fan of Geomancers. I really do hope SE seriously considers this job.

[Blood Red Poet]

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Probably going to be like <curry>.

[WishMaster3K]

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Curry? [yes, please]

[Armando]

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We don't need more tanks, honestly. If you want more tanks, tweak SAMs and MNKs and even RDMs a little bit, make more damage mitigation armor available to them, and voila. We do need more support jobs though. Recently got to the 41+ range and it's kinda frustrating not being able to make an efficient party just because I can't find a RDM or BRD online, and SMNs can only do so much with supportive BPs.

[WishMaster3K]

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I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree.

SAMs were most likely conceived as Tanks. I mean, it makes sense, no? +Enmity Gear, and the amount of Hate they pull with WS spammage, and the fact that SE does NOTHING to limit their WS spammage, only further enhance it. The food they eat that is SAM specific is outrageous. IT is possible that SAMs were the new WARs in that they gained hate through outdamaging what the mages cured. Add Third Eye to that, and you have a SAM that, with good timing, can totally evade dangerous moves such as Mandible Bite and Sickle Slash.

MNKs, with their DPS, and their VIT and their HP could function as tanks onlt if they had harder gear. MNK tanking is only really viable after some God runs and some of the harder gear is available.

RDMs? Maybe. . . In actuallity, if we get heavier gear, access to broadswords and maybe self-flash or stun or something to attract hate, we could be very similar to Sword Mages. However, the nature of RDM tanking and what needs to be done doesnt fit the theme SE has seemed to place- RDMs are Fencers in every sense of the word: Seeking out the flaws of the enemy and bolstering ourr own strengths while maximizing their weaknesses.

I wouldn't feel like a RDM if I was running around in Heavy Armor and swinging a Broad Sword. Maybe a Knight, or a Sword Mage which, like a RDM, has Enspells, but is generally more suited to the frontlines.(StatusEns, maybe and same PLD sword usage. . .)

Support, yes, I am all for support. As a RDM Main, I have never known what it is like to seek for long periods of time to just find a RDM or a BRD. I do know of this, however, and I feel truly bad when I get asked to invite and I am so far from Jeuno. I know that the /teller was most likely very desperate for a support class =/

It's a shame that, under, lessay, ideal circumstances, the job breakdown is this:

Tank:
PLD
NIN

Melee:
WAR
MNK
SAM
DRG
DRK
THF
NIN
BST
RNG

Huge Damage:
SMN
BLM

Healers:
WHM
SMN(even w/o /WHM they have tools to assist the pt. . . to an extent. . .)
RDM

Support:
RDM
BRD
SMN

Adding more support, possibly in terms of Time Mage, oracle, MANY jobs SE has used in the past, would add more flexibility in the game world. It's kinda messed up that only two jobs in the entire game can restore MP =[

[Armando]

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There was once a thread on a RDM that successfully tanked in the 60ish range using Phalanx, defense-oriented armor (the thread mentioned RDM AF has the second highest defense...not sure if that holds true, but...) defense food, subbing WAR, and functioning much like a PLD. This was in a static with friends. It was a learning experience, really. For example, he (and me) learnt that spike and enspell damage doesn't add hate, so he removed them from his cast cycle to conserve MP. Later in the thread someone also suggested he could've been using Sleep for hate since it gets so much. Only problem is that it's extremely situational in terms of what's required to pull it off, and honestly, if you only have one RDM, you're gonna have him doing the traditional (and much-loved) Debuff/Dispel/Refresh/Haste/Backup Cure/Occasional MB roles.

And yes, I've thought about it and came to the same conclusions as you. SAM was probably intended to be much like WAR, with the potential to tank straight-up or be a DD. Let's not forget Zenshin, was it? Which occasionally makes them get another swing when they miss, and some rice balls also give added Double Attack. One of their AF pieces occasionally spikes TP when they're hit, too. If SAMs weren't intended to tank, at the very least they were certainly designed to withstand hits. Funny how the roles of SAM and NIN became switched around so drastically by the players, isn't it?

[WishMaster3K]

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http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43927

Way back when, in the days of Grendal and Bono and Icemage and all the RDMs I really respect and look up to, we were pretty progressive. Ruic intriduced us to the concept of RDM/WAR tanking, and did it in an environment that was favorable.

For one, it is possible, but there are circumstances.

I linked the post because those who want to can read for themselves.

And If I am not mistaken, in terms of DEF, the RDM AF is second to PLD AF. I think. . . I'll go back to the thread, becauce Ruic has, quite unfortunately, retired RDM

I farm different cause of this post, lol. When I fight anything DC and lower, I don't bother with Stoneskin and instead opt to "PLD-Tank" the mob, lol

[Jarre]

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on the subject of new areas, the question is, is the world map complete or are their other areas not shown yet, a new continent perhaps on the otehr side of the globe, how about an ancient teleport system that sends you back to the past to the cities you see now in ruin when they were vibrant? The whole system is open for expansion and there are so many possibilities SE have yet to explore.

[WishMaster3K]

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Well, the world, as we know it, could be equated to Europe before tha Age of Exploration, in the sense of what they know of the world. The lands of the new expansion have been referred to the Far East, similar to what Euripeans refered to the Asian-bound lands.

Leading me to believe that there will be a whole new side of the map. I wonder if technically, you could now circumnavigate the globe. I'd love to just take a trip one day sightseeing Vana'diel, leaving through Gustav Tunnel, maybe, and coming back through Windy.