Why does everyone hate Elvaans?

[Yuanlung]

Personally, I am disgusted by some Elvaan NPC's. Mainly the officials. Unlike the friendly Windurstians or efficient Bastokans, these smut bastards just verbally abuse everyone they see, trying to cover up their own insecurity by belittling others. :mad:

When you get a mission/quest from these people, you often get the ridiculous excuse: "oh, we Elvaans can take care that easily ourselves, but it's below us, so we are letting you lowly adventurers to do it for us." While they infact just have no ability to do anything and are in desprete need for help.

After staying in San d'Oria a bit to work up my fame there, I get the feeling that the Elvaans are all talk and no action. They spend so much energy posing all day that nothing ever gets done.

Onething I found comedical is the East Ronfaure stone monuement text. The traveller talks about the annual hunting done by the San d'Orian nobels. He expected to see some real sportsmanship, but instead of hunting for actual games, these Elvaans put sheeps out and just slaughtered them in a ceremonial fashion. He left disappointed.


Oh, one thing I do hate is the male Elvaan who run around without pants. For some reason there are quite a few of them on Ramuh. It's disgusting, especially to a Tarutaru. Their private member, covered in nothing but spendix :sweat: is right at my face level. :sweat: When they turn around in front of me at the AH counter, OMG, that's the only thing on my monitor. :sweat:

[Quezi]

Elvaan arent the best=P Mithra make better offensive melees, they DO hit more often, just not enough where you would notice anything, and their agility helps out *being that offensive melees have the defenseive integrity of a wet piece of tissue*. It goes the same way for STR, the elvaan STR advantage is just about the same as the non elvaan DEX advantage, that is, nothing really.

Anyway my point is, you could say elvaan are the best, but then you would have to say that mithra are also the best. And hume, and galka.. and really any non taru. Then taru comes in second to best, wich is still pretty good.

As far as stances go. Sport fenceing is nothing like real fighting=P The idea is not to stab someone in the chest, its to kill them, by slashing an artery, chopping off their head, putting a dagger through there eye, stabbing them in the throat.. really any way you can. Fenceing is not fighting=P You do not line up and go directly back or forth in an attack-counterattack sort of one two type world. That will get you killed=P

Fenceing, and the weapons used for it, where not weapons of war(other than the sabre, wich was developped for mounted combat and on foot there are far better weapons), they where for civilians to settel disputes with.

So telling a real fighter he looks like a fencer, could be taken as an insult=P

[Scatman]

Originally posted by Tidane
I don't really care what job/race combo you play, but if you suck at it, I'll tell you. I've had Galkan mages better than Taru mages. Its the person sitting at thet keyboard that makes or breaks the character. I choose Hume because its the easiest for me to RP, and I liked one of the character models.

You're comparing apples and oranges. If two equally skilled players were handling an elvaan mage or a taru mage, the taru mage will -ALWAYS- be better for parties looking for exp. Player skill has nothing to do with how good a race is or how well suited it is to a job. And the fact remains, no matter how good a player is behind an elvaan mage, his mp pool will always be worse than a taru's. "The player makes the character" is one of the oldest, and dumbest phrases to hit FFXI. It may apply in other games where survival is the goal, but here it's about efficiency of exp gain, not survival, and in that aspect anything other than a taru or hume mage is horrible. I'm not trying to be narrow-minded, as I was quite anti-taru for awhile, but by now I've learned just how huge a difference the extra mp makes.

[Frarinalga]

It's silly to say "Everyone" hates Elvaan. Is a stupid stereotype. Although it may not be a coincidence that 6 of the 10 people on my black list are elvaan, many of the best players I know are Elvaan. People saying they have bad accuracy is silly and just not true. Take for instance, a level 75 elvaan compared to a level 75 hume (warrior class). Elvaan have 3 less dexterity. BIG DEAL. Race is not a large issue in this game, the majority of the races can play well as a mage and as a melee (Any race is good at melee except for taru (although they are good with melee classes that have mp and agility/dexterity based classes), and any race is fine at mage except for Galka. I'm sure i'll get some self enlightened dipshit on my ass, so save your time in flaming me because I won't be coming back to this post). Pick the race you want and stick with it. I picked hume, primarily because this character I chose has the same hair I do in real life ><. Just choose what you want and stick with it.

[albert lee]

Elvaan arent the best=P Mithra make better offensive melees, they DO hit more often, just not enough where you would notice anything, and their agility helps out *being that offensive melees have the defenseive integrity of a wet piece of tissue*. It goes the same way for STR, the elvaan STR advantage is just about the same as the non elvaan DEX advantage, that is, nothing really.

bs.. i as a drk/elvaan hit more than a drg/mithra. remember drg's have a innate acc+ bonus with a shitload of dex. i have 29 acc+ she has14 acc+ i always get more tp than her. my dmg is also way higher than mithra/drk. mithra dmg 60-90, elvaan dmg 80-110. dex factor for a melee is not important. ONLY to a thief is it important.

imo elvaan males have the best fighting sytles.. i.e. drk/monk/drg/sam/etc.. can't remember the rest.(i'm dayam tired). imo they swing like sissy's with 1hnd swords tho... fencer style psshh. but the big drawback is that their necks are long and they run like fairys. they don't really look lanky once you get your AF, but 1-39 with the current armor availabe, yeah.. they look hella lanky.

[MassecreMaker]

oh yeah?

Pll might not hate all elvaans but look at these topics, theres like 3 that say that Galkas suck, why the hell is that? Galkas are the best at meele???? but people seem to still hate them...

[Obano]

Originally posted by Ele
^^What Rico said. "People hate the best." The people that are making fun of elvaan are just pissed becasue they choose an inferior race when it comes to melee jobs. People say elvaan miss a lot and that is bullshit. At lvl 75DRK/37WAR, elvaan have 67 dex with no equipment at all, while hume, taru, and galka have 70. They have a 1.5 natural accuracy advantage over elvaan, which means jack shit. Elvaan have very graceful movements and swing with a lot of power, at least with the two handed weapons. When mithra and hume swing the great sword and scythe, it looks like they cant even hold the damn things and then when they swing it looks so weak and pathetic. As for the looks, you will not be dissapointed when you wear the heavy, higher lvl armors if you are elvaan either. Elvaan are just too damn sexy and they just look badass.

People hate Elvaans because of this guy and those like him.

There seem to be an abundance of players who think Elvaan are ALWAYS the best choice, and who refuse to admit they have any shortcomings. And they're complete asses in expressing that opinion as often and as loudly as possible. Every time I've made a thread about another race, some idiot has invaded it to let me know that said race sucks compared to his precious Elvaan.

BTW: Everyone needs to stop comparing races by looking at level 75 stats; that's as silly as looking at level 1 stats. Look at level 30/40/50/60, which we're all more likely to see than 75.

[Quezi]

Originally posted by albert lee
bs.. i as a drk/elvaan hit more than a drg/mithra. remember drg's have a innate acc+ bonus with a shitload of dex. i have 29 acc+ she has14 acc+ i always get more tp than her. my dmg is also way higher than mithra/drk. mithra dmg 60-90, elvaan dmg 80-110. dex factor for a melee is not important. ONLY to a thief is it important..

If you took what i said in context i was explaining that nyther race is better, in game they are about equal, but if for some strange reason someone wanted to take a magnifying glass and find which race was better by a half a percent or whatever, then mithra win.

[locus]

You're comparing apples and oranges. If two equally skilled players were handling an elvaan mage or a taru mage, the taru mage will -ALWAYS- be better for parties looking for exp. Player skill has nothing to do with how good a race is or how well suited it is to a job. And the fact remains, no matter how good a player is behind an elvaan mage, his mp pool will always be worse than a taru's. "The player makes the character" is one of the oldest, and dumbest phrases to hit FFXI. It may apply in other games where survival is the goal, but here it's about efficiency of exp gain, not survival, and in that aspect anything other than a taru or hume mage is horrible. I'm not trying to be narrow-minded, as I was quite anti-taru for awhile, but by now I've learned just how huge a difference the extra mp makes.

Don't be absolutely ridiculous with the sweeping statements.
Your MP means nothing when you are dead, which is a state in which tarutaru mages end up in pretty often (two hits and they're dead. Even at level 70, for example, all it takes is ONE monster WS at the wrong time and oops). Especially for white and red mages, a larger MP base is often less important than it sounds at higher levels since all races restore MP at the same rate and Cure isn't particularly MP intensive. (EXP parties should not be one extended battle).

Here's an example in which Taru isn't necessarily the best:
Quite a few people have told me that when killing King Behemoth, taru black mages have it hard because taru black mages simply can't survive meteor very well. Stoneskin cuts less damage for them than other races because their max HP is completely abysmal. Vs some other guy whom I will not mention since it's probably a spoiler - one "Light blade" and your tarutaru UBAH MP mage is dead dead dead. (which is very possible since it's not easy to tank him and your stoneskin will simply not be enough to survive the 1000+ damage coming your way) Taru simply have the worst chances out of any race to survive battles in which huge damage is dealt out in one hit bursts (any battle with a summoner, ninja or ranger enemy that can use it's 2hr) or any situation in which things may go wrong and they get hate. (badly timed antican sand trap, etcetra)

You can't say that "Taru are the best mages hands down in any circumstance". That's blatantly myopic.

[Aesopian]

Having recently moved from my hometown of Sandy to Windy, and visiting Sandy again, I was surprised how obnoxious NPCs are to foreigners.

I can remember though, when I was doing my first few levels ever, running around in my starting gear fighting bunnies, I was surprised by a Hume walking by calling me "dirty Elvaan". Again later, while tanking for a Taru mage, he called us "dirty Elvaan". I was left rather confused, and it wasn't until a couple dozen levels later that I learned why foreigners despise us.

As for long necks and long limbs, I never minded, but I suppose that's because that describes me in real life.

And for stances, I've never noticed which races looks best since I always thought they all looked cool.

[Quezi]

I agree that taru are not notably superior at being a whm, but i think for blm the added mp and int make a big enough differance to negate any penalties=x

[Rikyio]

I didn't expect to get a sticky on this.:sweat: Well I think I am going to go with Elvaan after all. I was just dubious because of their low DEX and AGL...you would think a race that are proud warriors and the like would have those stats in a "decent" range. But if what you say is true and they don't miss as much as I heard, then hopefully I won't waste my time on my character.

[Denser]

A lot of angry posts in this thread.


The truth is, Elvaans do not miss noticably more, especially with good equipment.


Unfortunately in mmorpg's, 99% of the player base have an irrational fear of being 'gimped' and not fulfilling their full potential, and hence tend to over-exaggerate their characters flaws.


Pick your character based on pure aesthetics imho.

[Arguile]

Yeah...elvaan's suck....i mean, when i MB with freeze i only do like 1300damage. Damn....damn damn damn.

[Turpin]

Sorry for the semi-off-topic post, but as a collegiate fencer, I can't help jumping in here. Elvaan don't really stand like fencers. Their heels are lined up correctly, with their feet at a 90 degree angle, but that's where the similarity ends.

Okay, now I'm going to get obscure: you know how Elvaan are kinda pseudo-French? They stand exactly like Navarrese knife-fighters, at least when equipped with swords.

I like the Elvaan stance, and even the overall look--well, except for the chicken-neck. They make great melees, especially PLDs. As has been said before, the general hatred of them has to do with the misconception about their accuracy and the attitude of the San D'Orian NPCs. Still, many of the Hume NPCs in Bastok are contemptuous of the Galka, even racist towards them. Really, Windurst is the only country whose government isn't corrupt.