Anyone play on Windows Vista?

[Feba]

Re: Anyone play on Windows Vista?

Will the macbooks run Vista via bootcamp?

They better, considering how much you're spending on that.

1100$ minimum for the laptop, then I'm pretty sure they're planning to charge for Bootcamp once it's out of beta, that'll probably be 50-100$, then Vista is 150-250$ish, so all in all you're probably spending at least 1500$ If you get a Macbook pro, lord have mercy...


Mac should really focus on what they're good at. Getting people that don't know crap about computers using computers. They can easily do that by being cheaper than the competition. Honestly, if they sold their iMac line at 400-500$ cheaper, if they'd sell them at cost or cheaper, they'd still make a ton of money by getting people hooked on apple products. Hell, make the Apple TV into a full OSX box, people have done it, call it the TV Mac or TVX and sell it off for cheap, get people using OSX on their TVs.

If I were to get a computer for someone who knows nothing about them, and only needs them for 'grandma' tasks (word processing, internet browsing, simple games like chess), and I wanted to get them the cheapest computer possible without buying used, I'd be getting an emachine or a dell, and install Ubuntu on it (in my experience, easier to pick up and use than Windows)- if Mac had products in the same price range, I'd use them.

Really, apple is the worst cult I've ever seen. They're not trying very hard to get in the people that are most vulnerable, so all they get are converts.

[Omni]

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Just something interesting I noticed.

I had installed Windows Vista Business as a clean install. I'm all about keeping things lean and mean. As soon as my install was finished, with nothing else in and as bare as possible, I had 48 processes running.

I just re-installed XP this last weekend because I was having a lot of issues with vista/ffxi/coh/hl2 and after a fresh install I start off with 22 processes running.

I know theres tons of new features and such with vista but really... x2+4 worth of features?! I can hardly see where all that is going to tbh.

More isnt necessarily better.

[MisterCookie]

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I'm on Vista, and FFXI runs exactly like it did on my XP installation: Laggy. Damn nVidia drivers.

[robinkle]

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I bought a new comp about your caliber, only with Core 2 duo processor and 2 gb ram. it runs smooth even in aht urghan. No worries.

[Arctic Wolf]

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If you buy the Dell you won't be able to install XP on the system. Reason being is that most manufacturers (I know Dell for a fact) use imaging to install their software. Meaning the drivers for all your hardware (motherboard, video card, sound card, on-board things such as ethernet ports, etc.) are on that disc. And you can't just pick and choose from an image, gotta do all or nothing. It really is a pain, I hate imaging.

I never understood this concept. I payed to have the stuff, why can't I get all the drivers separately. Too much of a darn pain to send me that copy I purchased? Or how about those drivers? I bought the dang motherboard for Christmas sake!

Well it's all embedded systems, I believe IBM has something look-a-like. Acer does too. It's not like it's a secret of Dell or anything though. For a friend, I had to re-install Windows XP a Pentium 4 Acer laptop from once. The friend is quite old... she's 70. So she didn't know exactly everything, and I bluntly started re-installing. Unill then, once Windows XP was installed properly, a whole lot of devices where "unknown" in the hardware list. I was stuck for a moment, clueless what to do. She found a DVD she had been told to keep. On the DVD were all the drivers. It auto-loaded a Menu, from where you could even choose to install each sepperate driver. Under several category's, such as "VGA" "Sound" and "WLAN," I could easy select a driver and the installer would run.

I don't know if Dell has a system like this too. However, it should be working this way. For example, if my friend would have me install Windows Vista on the laptop, i'm sure I could install all drivers easy from the DVD. If the DVD menu wouldn't work, on the DVD itself, the drivers were simply located in their appropriate and sorted folders, so i could install them "manually."

Another tip maybe: Write down a list of all hardware you have currently installed (or on the image), then check if you can download them from the Internet. Website's such as Softpedia and Driverguide should help a lot. So that if you install XP on it, you should be able to get it to work fine by manually downloading the drivers.

This is just everything from my experience though, I might have said something stupid, or there might be another reason why something I said would never work out.

[Arctic Wolf]

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Quote from Mistercookie:
I'm on Vista, and FFXI runs exactly like it did on my XP installation: Laggy. Damn nVidia drivers.

I just talked about this in a previous post, try disabling FFXI sound, or setting Background Resolution down to 512x512. You may not want to do either of this, but perhaps you could get used to it, or maybe not, but worth a try right?




Ps.: Sorry for double post, I'm still used to auto-merging of double posts.

[kai_samoht]

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[Velmias]

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I'm on Vista, and FFXI runs exactly like it did on my XP installation: Laggy. Damn nVidia drivers.

Which graphics card do you have? On my 6600gt at least I had to use a really really old driver version as more recent ones were laggy on XP, especially with the -ga and bard spells. The old ones were pretty smooth even with the background res bumped up a bit in the registry and using a draw distance thing.

So my lag problem with Vista now is probably because I can't use those old drivers, I have to use the more recent Vista only ones. Even with no reg tweaks it's annoyingly choppy. Unfortunately I don't see Nvidia making the drivers run like the ancient ones, since even the latest XP drivers are bad for me.

As a side note Lord of the Rings Online runs pretty well for me on Vista with pretty high settings (full water reflections), and my hardware is rather modest. But I think I'll have to go back to XP for FFXI which makes me sad as I like Vista.

Question: Anyone have tips on getting my FFXI Vista installation to run from XP? Like which registry keys do I need to copy over? I hate how SE made it so difficult, I don't want to have a FFXI installation for each OS.

[MisterCookie]

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Velmias: I've got a 8800 GTS(640 MB model). So it could be that the drivers are too new?

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Well it's all embedded systems, I believe IBM has something look-a-like. Acer does too. It's not like it's a secret of Dell or anything though.

I'm not sure if you understand what is an embedded system. (Think of them as computer systems in iPod, cell phones, car engine management, etc.) ^_^;;;

[Feba]

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Well it's all embedded systems

You keep using that term. I do not think it means what you think it means.


And I see no reason why XP shouldn't work on a system just because the manufacturer doesn't include drivers... most flavors of Linux can be installed on almost any x86 machine with no driver troubles. I'd be surprised if even MS can't do the same.

[Velmias]

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Velmias: I've got a 8800 GTS(640 MB model). So it could be that the drivers are too new?

I don't know if the newer cards still crap out with -ga and bard spells among other things, but if they do the old driver version that got rid of those problems (I think it was like 66.9something) doesn't even support the 8xxx series. Square and/or Nvidia really need to work on making FFXI more friendly to new hardware, but I don't think they will. It'd be great if SE reworked the engine to remove the hard fps cap and make it take advantage of graphics cards more, but I understand they probably don't have the resources for it these days.

I'll keep on blaming Nvidia.

[Jaggs]

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My Windows Vista seems to be fine and it does work better then my XP did. I just hate when a program is running and it laggs like crazy. I had FFXI on XP before and it lagged but not this much. It doesnt really bother me though, its not like it kicks me off or anything lol....Maybe if I turn down some of the effects it will act faster? I dont know

[HairdewX]

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My Windows Vista seems to be fine and it does work better then my XP did. I just hate when a program is running and it laggs like crazy. I had FFXI on XP before and it lagged but not this much. It doesnt really bother me though, its not like it kicks me off or anything lol....Maybe if I turn down some of the effects it will act faster? I dont know

How much RAM do you have? I wouldn't run it on Vista with anything less than 1 GB of RAM. I recommend at least 2 GB.

[Jaggs]

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I alsmost have 2 GB of ram..I think I need more lol....and I looked I only have like 1-4% left of space on both of my drivers, thats probly the reason. I also only have 506 MB of memory so thats probly another issue!