Do we really need to buy a security token?

[hexx]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

15-20 line macros would do the trick. Console users, and anti-Windower PC users would be all over that like a starved lioness on an injured zebra.

I for one wouldnt, and I play on 360 AND am fervently against windower.........I take advantage of the 6 macro lines i get per square just fine. Wanting all those macro lines in one square is just laziness really.

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

You couldn't be any more wrong. If playing this game has taught me anything, it's that whining produces results.

Actually, I couldn't be closer to the truth. It's one thing to be dissatisfied with some aspect of the game and voice your opinions and thoughts, go thru the proper channels and try to change things in hopes that change will take effect. It's another thing to cuss and squeal and throw a tantrum on forums and have a hypocritical stance about it until you get your way, which is what my inferrence was. o.0 duh

Are you serious? There's a tremendous difference between paying $20 for an expansion pack chock full of new content, and paying $10 for more storage space. One has dozens of new zones, enemies, quests and missions, as well as new battlefield types, equipment, and jobs, and plenty of man-hours and money to produce. The other probably only takes them half an hour to implement, and they could've/should've done so for free. It makes all the sense in the world to pay for an expansion pack. Paying $10 for a massive amount of extra storage space (comparable to doing every single damned Gobbiebag in the game, and for those that already have Gobbiebags, some Mog Safe expansions as well) is pretty much a micropayment.

Of course, the $10 is going towards the Security Token. But the end result of bundling both things and making the Satchel unavailable elsewhere is that those that want the satchel have no other recourse but to pay $10 whether they wanted/needed the token or not. I'm not denying that the security token is extremely effective at what it does; but that's still no excuse to make the satchel ONLY available through its purchase, and that still doesn't change the fact that its value is diminished to practically 0 for console users.

It may be just a $10 one-time payment, but it won't be so funny if they come up another high-demand bonus and make it only available through the purchase of some other $10 trinket. It may or may not happen.

Anyways I wasn't here to Q_Q so much as to show why you coming in here going all "CRY MOAR. IT'S A $10 PAYMENT JEEZ JUST SUCK IT UP AND PAY" is not only flawed, it pisses people off. It might not be a big enough issue to cause an uproar over, but you're rather narrow-minded if you honestly can't see why people would be annoyed at the $10 payment.

That's hard to argue in the face of knowing you pay, what is it, a buck .95 for an additional character? Do you happen to own any mules? If so, then you already pay additional costs to have something that "should be made available and free to use already." Yet, you're paying additional costs anyway. Seems that people have come to accept the fact you pay extra money for additional characters. I think I can remember back in the day people complaining about it. Squeenix never changed it. If you don't have mules, that's fine. But lots of people pay for additional characters to have 2nd characters or mules. I mean, we're talking apples to apples here. If we're going to complain about having to pay additional money "just" to get a service that is tremendously helpful, we may as well include the whole shebang. I don't see ppl complaining about that.

Which leads into this statement: want in one hand and sh*t in the other and see which fills up faster?

I was meh about having to pay 10$ to get the token... I play on PC and have had my account hacked before, so it was useful to me... but hey, it came with the added bonus of a mog satchel. Of course, people who don't want the token, but want the satchel would have to pay the 10$. Ok. This is a valid point. If you want the satchel, just pay the 10$. You could look at it this way. You get the satchel and then a free bonus of a security token. However, you know, its just another one of those things..... companies use marketing stratgies to accomplish certain goals. Let's complain about it all day, but in the end what will change? ..... Sometimes nothing. Just like in the case of the added chars.

=D But hey, that's what forums are for. Do your duty and cry about it, we're all here listenin!

[Armando]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

In the end, there is no other item that could ever match the pure usefulness of the token to so many players

15-20 line macros would do the trick. Console users, and anti-Windower PC users would be all over that like a starved lioness on an injured zebra.

[Ziero]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

It may be just a $10 one-time payment, but it won't be so funny if they come up another high-demand bonus and make it only available through the purchase of some other $10 trinket. It may or may not happen.

And that right there is the issue.

At this point in time, they released a high value in game service with an incredibly useful but low demand rl item. SE wanted to make sure as many people as possible wanted the Token, because it would be best for everyone, the players, GMs, and SE themselves, if people had as secure an account as possible. So to make sure the demand for the token was universal they bundled it with an incredibly high value, and totally universal bonus.

This is the first and only time this has happened in the seven year history of this game. Yet people are instantly saying that SE is going to start RMTing everything and their mothers and that they're all super evil for doing so. But I would personally prefer to wait and see if they do it again before I demonize them all.

Personally, I can't ever see them releasing some useless $10 that comes with a widly desired in game item. In the end, there is no other item that could ever match the pure usefulness of the token to so many players, especially since this token will work for all future online SE titles. SE are a bunch of dicks because they made me eat my veggies before getting my ice cream, but in the end, they're right, it's good for me.

But to be blunt, this topic is supposed to be about why they didn't do both the Token and an SMS service, and in the end that explanation is simple. They didn't want to pay for both services. Since the Token can reach more people then the SMS system and has a lower cost overall, they went with the Token alone.

[Armando]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

There's no amount of relating common sense to some people in these posts that will show them that they're whining is futile. lol

You couldn't be any more wrong. If playing this game has taught me anything, it's that whining produces results.

you might as well be saying OMG RMT, when buying an expansion, or and extra character, or service

Hell lets just call buying the game itself RMT as well.

Are you serious? There's a tremendous difference between paying $20 for an expansion pack chock full of new content, and paying $10 for more storage space. One has dozens of new zones, enemies, quests and missions, as well as new battlefield types, equipment, and jobs, and plenty of man-hours and money to produce. The other probably only takes them half an hour to implement, and they could've/should've done so for free. It makes all the sense in the world to pay for an expansion pack. Paying $10 for a massive amount of extra storage space (comparable to doing every single damned Gobbiebag in the game, and for those that already have Gobbiebags, some Mog Safe expansions as well) is pretty much a [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropayment]micropayment[/ame].

Of course, the $10 is going towards the Security Token. But the end result of bundling both things and making the Satchel unavailable elsewhere is that those that want the satchel have no other recourse but to pay $10 whether they wanted/needed the token or not. I'm not denying that the security token is extremely effective at what it does; but that's still no excuse to make the satchel ONLY available through its purchase, and that still doesn't change the fact that its value is diminished to practically 0 for console users.

It may be just a $10 one-time payment, but it won't be so funny if they come up another high-demand bonus and make it only available through the purchase of some other $10 trinket. It may or may not happen.

Anyways I wasn't here to Q_Q so much as to show why you coming in here going all "CRY MOAR. IT'S A $10 PAYMENT JEEZ JUST SUCK IT UP AND PAY" is not only flawed, it pisses people off. It might not be a big enough issue to cause an uproar over, but you're rather narrow-minded if you honestly can't see why people would be annoyed at the $10 payment.

[Kailea]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

The idea that it doesn't have an effect on the economy could be used to defend RMT in a game that has an NPC based economy instead of a player based one. It also leaves account selling totally in the clear; especially if you remove all the non-ra/ex gear and gil.


RMT isn't just considered bad because it's harmful.

you might as well be saying OMG RMT, when buying an expansion, or and extra character, or service

Hell lets just call buying the game itself RMT as well.

omg I have to pay for extra security? heaven forbid

"hey cool we get extra space when we buy the security token." but no instead all there is is bitching an moaning, no change or addition or new feature, will ever make people happy.

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

There's no amount of relating common sense to some people in these posts that will show them that they're whining is futile. lol

Where's the /lockthreadandendstupidity button lol

[Feba]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

The idea that it doesn't have an effect on the economy could be used to defend RMT in a game that has an NPC based economy instead of a player based one. It also leaves account selling totally in the clear; especially if you remove all the non-ra/ex gear and gil.


RMT isn't just considered bad because it's harmful.

[Kailea]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

So you're saying that it's ok to RMT, as long as you only do it in $10 increments?

That used to be around two million back in the worst of FFXI's days, if my memory serves me right.

It doesn't matter what price SE is selling it for, RMT is RMT. Whether you define this as RMT is a valid question, whether you consider it bad RMT is a valid question, how much RMT has to cost in order to be RMT is just silly.

no RMT (done by anyone other then the company that owns the game) is bad

RMT, done the way Blizzard and SE do it, is perfectly fine, is has no effect on the economy at all, and that is the real reason RMT is bad in the first place.

now if SE started selling gil themselves, I would be in line to bitch and complain to SE, but what they are doing now is perfectly fine.

[Sekighara]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

@Feba You have a point, but RMT in this sense is not considered real money trading in the original negative outlook that the player base towards it. RMT in this sense is like paying for a mule. You give SE one dollar to give you another entity to run around and use in the world, and also abuse the fact that it is there. Case in point the lottery, how many people filled up all their mules with the lotto in hopes of hitting big? Or the Ein LSs that drag mules to the wings so they have the clear status to allow the LS to go fight odin. It is a transaction that is outside of the game that involves real money for something in the game. So this token is no different then paying for a mule, or an account. My only issue with RMT beside it being against the rules is the fact that people buy a game and then want to spend money for someone to play a portion of the game for them, how much gil a person has and spends to me is still an achievement as the hardship of gaining it. It messes up the economy too, but even if the econmoy messed up again I would just deal with it like I did in the past. The token doesnt bother me and as of such I don't care if it is right or wrong because it is not required, and I have been gimped for so long that one more thing I don't have is not going to cause me much grief.

@Telera the secuirty token does not protect your xbox any more then it protects the dress shoes you have in the closet. What it is is a implementation security tactic to reduce need for SE to deal with account highjacks just like the digital keyboard to trick keyloggers. Now the fact that it doesn't protect the piece of plastic hunk of red ringging goodness isn't the point. It protects your account which has your address. If you didn't know addresses alone can make money through junk mailers. So they sell your address to mailers. Or worst case if they can use that info to get a full details statement sent to them then now they have a way to get other scores of information. Everything has a price you just have to find a buyer.Plus incase you didn't know some banks will allow a person to order a credit card with the name address and last 4 digits of the social.

[Feba]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

So you're saying that it's ok to RMT, as long as you only do it in $10 increments?

That used to be around two million back in the worst of FFXI's days, if my memory serves me right.

It doesn't matter what price SE is selling it for, RMT is RMT. Whether you define this as RMT is a valid question, whether you consider it bad RMT is a valid question, how much RMT has to cost in order to be RMT is just silly.

[Kailea]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Kailea: How about you deal with people's posts? That's kind of what forums are for.

dealing with post? please, I am just enjoying the fact that people are being all bitchy about $10

[Mog]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Damn, this thread is still alive? o_O

[Armando]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Kailea: How about you deal with people's posts? That's kind of what forums are for.

[Raydeus]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Novelette type of scenarios (ACP and the rest) should be 3 bucks each, not 10.

Now that's what I call a hassle (for my wallet.)