Do we really need to buy a security token?

[Kailea]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

good lord people getting mad over this...


you pay $10 TEN DOLLARS!

and you get better security and extra inventory space for all your characters.


"they could have done this for free" yes they could have, but at the same time, its a one time.... ONE TIME fee of $10...... deal with it.

[Telera]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

News flash, everyone; the Security Token isn't a big hassle. Nor is it complicated to use.

Hassle = doing something I don't need to do just to get the benefit of the Satchel. Not so much the entering of the codes, but the principal behind it. Paying for a useless piece of equipment to get something they can clearly add into the game with no effort.

I don't need the fucking thing because I'm on a console. If someone wants to steal my entire 360 and game cases, then that's about all they can do to get the thing.

Don't fucking insult my intelligence.

[Kailea]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Eh, well the way I see it, its one thing for the game itself to practice RMT, to a point, because most of the time. They sell things that wont kill the games economy, like EX items and such, where as the illegal RMT, is done without permission, and floods an economy with to much currency.

[Armando]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

It's harder to argue that the satchel is "just an extra" since it makes life soooo much easier for you. The Talisman's in-game bonus was pretty weak. But at the same time, the real-life talisman itself was weak as hell as well. When you're trying to sell me a cheap random trinket with a random backstory as opposed to a recognizable item from the game, and you bundle it with an in-game benefit, it's inevitable that it looks suspicious.

[Kailea]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

But do they REALLY count as RMT items? The Talisman came with an actual item, which just so happend to include an ingame item also, same thing with the security token. The in-game items are really just extras, whether someone buys said item JUST for the in-game item is pure based on personal preference.

thats why I said "RMT" and not RMT ;p

I dont really see it as full on RMT

[hexx]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

yeah so far there has only been two "RMT" items, that Talasmin, and the security token, both come with ingame items.

But do they REALLY count as RMT items? The Talisman came with an actual item, which just so happend to include an ingame item also, same thing with the security token. The in-game items are really just extras, whether someone buys said item JUST for the in-game item is pure based on personal preference.

[Kailea]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

yeah so far there has only been two "RMT" items, that Talasmin, and the security token, both come with ingame items.

[hexx]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Gonna play devil's advocate here since I don't believe this will actually happen, but the issue isn't quite so simple if bundling hotly demanded in-game benefits ("Now your macros are 15 lines long!") with $10 trinkets becomes a habit for them. Couple that with regular add-on scenario releases and you wouldn't be looking at $22 instead of $12 every 2-3 months.

That's besides the fact that there was clearly nothing stopping them from implementing the Mog Satchel for free, which is uncool even if buying the satchel is no big deal.

True, but said offers dont happen on a monthly basis. If every month they were offering such things, or if they made some kind of "online store" the way PlayStation did for "Home" then yeah I would see as them dabbling in RMT.

[Armando]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

that is the key thing that should always be brought up when someone bitches about $10....

if you can a ford the extra ONE TIME payment of $10, or 20 or what ever the extra service costs, then maybe the time has come to look at if you really can a ford the game's monthly fee itself.

Gonna play devil's advocate here since I don't believe this will actually happen, but the issue isn't quite so simple if bundling hotly demanded in-game benefits ("Now your macros are 15 lines long!") with $10 trinkets becomes a habit for them. Couple that with regular add-on scenario releases and you could be looking at $22 instead of $12 every 2-3 months.

That's besides the fact that there was clearly nothing stopping them from implementing the Mog Satchel for free, which is uncool even if buying the satchel is no big deal.

[Kailea]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Feba, you seem to forget, that for all your preaching about some people "not being able to afford a security token" theres a lot more people who cant afford a cell phone or the service to use it. The cheapest cell phone plan out there costs roughly $5 a month, thats on top of the initial cost of the phone itself, plus a voice plan (cuz very few cell companies will allow you to buy a phone for JUST texting, save for prepaid plans, and dont get me started on those). Now, add it up every month, versus the $10 one time (well for a long while at least) of the Security Token..............yeah its very cost effective to both sides aint it? NOT! Sheesh man, when you pick a lost cause, you really stick to it dont ya Feba?

Like it was stated previously, the Satchel was just an ADDED bonus, for those who were borderline about buying the token. I for one, bought the token both for the added security, AND the satchel, and guess what, I PLAY ON 360 so..........yeah i dont NEED the extra security, but I would rather not risk it. Seriously, quit your bellyaching, SE wont always listen to what any of us have to say, especially when its a pretty dumb idea kiddo.

Edit: And I repeat, if $10 is a lot for you to part with, you shouldnt really be playing this game either.......

that is the key thing that should always be brought up when someone bitches about $10....

if you can a ford the extra ONE TIME payment of $10, or 20 or what ever the extra service costs, then maybe the time has come to look at if you really can a ford the game's monthly fee itself.

[hexx]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Feba, you seem to forget, that for all your preaching about some people "not being able to afford a security token" theres a lot more people who cant afford a cell phone or the service to use it. The cheapest cell phone plan out there costs roughly $5 a month, thats on top of the initial cost of the phone itself, plus a voice plan (cuz very few cell companies will allow you to buy a phone for JUST texting, save for prepaid plans, and dont get me started on those). Now, add it up every month, versus the $10 one time (well for a long while at least) of the Security Token..............yeah its very cost effective to both sides aint it? NOT! Sheesh man, when you pick a lost cause, you really stick to it dont ya Feba?

Like it was stated previously, the Satchel was just an ADDED bonus, for those who were borderline about buying the token. I for one, bought the token both for the added security, AND the satchel, and guess what, I PLAY ON 360 so..........yeah i dont NEED the extra security, but I would rather not risk it. Seriously, quit your bellyaching, SE wont always listen to what any of us have to say, especially when its a pretty dumb idea kiddo.

Edit: And I repeat, if $10 is a lot for you to part with, you shouldnt really be playing this game either.......

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Well, this was a thoroughly interesting read.

Here's one of my thoughts: (Let's start with a definition)

RMT - Real Money Trading - is really just something of a misnomer.... aaannnnd a flawed conceptual phrase coined by alot of of us gamers to perpetuate our distaste and frustration for the process of organized groups of people taking advantage of time and space (while we're all at work 9-5) in an MMORPG world and using it to amass large amounts of "insert virutal item something here," (e.g. money, items, accounts, etc. etc.) then selling it/them to gamers for their real world currency. The process is such that the VI is researched, farmed, then traded to prospective (and willing) gamers/clients in exchange for "insert your country's currency here." The whole concept is viewed as a derogatory action when compared to the virutallly (no pun intended) flawless concept of MMORPG gaming and its subtle, yet delicate balance of "fair game play."

With this in mind, it seems to me that in this thread, someone (I won't name name's) is pointing out the fact that Squeeenix is advocating the idea of RMT, while preaching the gospel of "help us help you save uR aKouNt tewDeY, buY Our StuFF called 'saffe ur aKouNts LyFe TOKun! 1337!!!! 9.95$! FREE 80 STORUGE SPACES'" which is clearly a violation of the unspoken Gamer's Act of 1986 (I'll insert the 1986 NES date, because whining about cheating in videogames has been goin on since, at the very least, the Nintendo Power Days) which dictates "One shall not exhange your real world cash to buy items obtained by foreign investors in a virtually created world, for the simple fact of gaining an advantage over other people....... CUZ ITZ KNOT FAIR -kick sand from the sandbox in ur eye-."

In other words, SE is being hypocritical by offering something to security token buyers that is very beneficial (like 80 free fkn spaces of inventory that solves ALOT OF PROBLEMS AND MAKES LIFE HAPPIER, Yay -hugs his Mog Satchel-) and only making it available to people that spend IRL cash to get the token, whereas, others (who either can't afford or simply are simply pipe smokers on the proverbial political bandwagon of RMT IS EVIL, EVIL I SAY) are left out who cannot or refuse to pay additional moneys to secure said token (sad, destitute, having to spend 30 minutes just to mule 2 jobs worth of gear.... oh the sheer agony.)

Basically, it's a matter of "why TF do I have to suffer when I'm playing fairly, while you pay your money and get blessed by the gods, ITS CHEATING, evol, .. boo hiss!!"

Well, you have to excuse me if I'm being condescending, but I feel it's warranted, because to be perfectly honest with you, it's just a game. None of this is meant to be taken seriously. It's entertainment. Sure, there's rules to it as it is a game, but anyone with half a brain knows that there's always that %age of people who believe "rules were made to be broken" and breaks them. Now, making the correlation that SE is advocating RMT practices are just trash thoughs of a fool because... seriously.... LIKE SE has the time to even think about crap like that when they're busy running the behind the scenes of a multi-million dollar company that makes more money than you've ever seen in your puny less than a quarter of a hundred years lifespan.

And to be perfectly honest with you, isn't even the act of selling an online-game play that is actually just completely subjective and imaginitive and has no real physical world worth except in the form of fleeting entertainment, a real money trade in and of itself? Squeeenix has already sold you something that is intangible by offering you the ability to play on their servers. You've already committed the sin of RMT by simply playing the game online. How can you then turn around and hatefully lecture the same company for practing an act that you, yourself, engage in on a daily basis and have willfully subjected yourself to by playing online and paying for it? Why complain about now having to pay for something else? (Well... maybe YOU don't lol according to the peeps on the board here.) I'll tell you why! Because.... The moto has always been "work hard, play hard, drink gatorade," the moto has never been "work seriously, play seriously, WHINE on forums that SE advocates RMT practices.... SE IS THE DEVIL... seriously." But guess what...... -shakes head-

There's no conspiracy theory (have you ever wondered at the psychological stability of the people that pursue and peruse the concepts of conspiracy theories to being with?), there's no hidden agenda. There's only smart marketing going on. Hundred's of thousands of corporations use it. Basically, SE began with having ALOT of spike in their tech support calls with people complaining about game hacking, loss of accounts and items; in general, account compromisal. Then there was that nasty little season where the Squeeenix servers were being attacked by 3rd party software (the haxx0rz) and R0 was a common occurence on all severs. There was a meeting... in fact, there were several meetings over the span of the next season, and several things occurred with SE; then later something major occured.

#1 They created the Special Task Force. (Everyone knows what this is.)
#2 They created the virutal key board for log-in purposes.
#3 They created the Security Token.
(Quite possibly missing some of their actions here, but this is from memory.)

If I put myself in the shoes of the corporation, (believe me, I work at a company of high end politics, I know how corporations think.) SE figured that their "investment" was being compromised by sheer, petty annoyances, that were left unhandled & unfettered until the issues exploded in a major issue of account verification and their customer retention was at an all time high, therefore, they did some checking and Research & Development came up with the token (CUZ WOW WAS DOIN IT SO CAN WE) in order to save their potential customer base from going off to some other competitor (WOW is definitely their biggest and caters to the mentally challeneged[just mo, feel free to scream at me that WOW is kind, wonderful, blissland of happyhappyjoyjoy].) Because we're dealing with Japanese corporate men, the Japanese culture is inherrantly obsessed with workplace philosphy that caters to their religious beliefs, so they concern themselves with the low man (you the gamer, the buyer, the herd) and your happiness and bring you something that will assist in keeping your account much safer by use of a token device, dongle, etc. that is virtually impossible to hack (not that I've seen any info yet on how to hack it, but I'm still looking.... only out of sheer nerdness lol, so I say impossible because that's SE's point of view [POV]) Because they've been playing around with the idea on how to introduce the token in a way "the herd" will favorably accept it, they use quite brilliantly conceived marketing strategy and offer additional mog space that will equal your current inventory capacity, in game, and name it MOG SATCHEL. That way, not only is SE ensuring they protect their investments (POL), but they get you to buy the damn thing because (now I'm pointing out americans here lmao) "the herd" is lazy and doesn't give a crap about this stuff, but will WHINE ABOUT IT LATER. (Believe me, I worked in customer service for 10 years.. I have a very good grasp of the common man and his mental meanderings concerning the marketplace of free trade.)

Like my wonderful pre-posting colleague stated, "it's a WIN/WIN situation." SE appears to the masses as coming to the rescure and being a "company that cares" and die-hard, MMOgamers get their free additional 80 inventory spaces we've been screaming about for years.

The only Catch-22 (there's always one, you know this) is that people like someone that will remain nameless will come on a forum and create havoc concerning a political stance of noble brevity, but really only goes home and takes off his holier-than-thou costume and slaps down into his troll recliner in his troll den and watches troll tv while eating the sorrows and emotions of the poster's he's claimed that day.

Well, thank goodness some of us are immune to troll damage and are inclined to think on the higher planes of common sense and reality. Believe me, common sense was the best JA I ever got. In the meantime, do us all a favor and go DIAF. Trolls don't regenerate from fire damage. xD lulz0r

Anyway, I bought the token cuz it killed two birds with one stone; the need for the feeling of some security and free inventory space. Didn't kill my pocketbook. I will admit, its annoying to have to carry it to LAN/Wifi, but oh well, I got over it. And if I ever lose the damn thing, that will be some annoying shizzzz. lol Either I get most conscienious about keeping my valuables, or I make SE nice rich and phat. lol

But of course, someone will come along and say "omfg my dog ate my security token and pooped out my password id.. i hate u SE for all of this /cry."

/endsarcasm

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

News flash, everyone; the Security Token isn't a big hassle. Nor is it complicated to use.

If making a master account and typing in TWO passwords is more confusing for you than typing in one, then you shouldn't be playing FFXI in the first place.

The worst thing that can happen is you lose your keys (and in that case, you have bigger problems).

Want to know something ELSE that's a New Flash? If you don't like the Security Token, nor do you have no desire to buy it, then, in case you didn't realize it, You Don't Have To Buy It.

This has been brought to you by the letter F for "Fuck off."

[Durahansolo]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Ya so are we. But after he scrutinized his system to see if it was on his end and found nothing, we started thinking it over. Why would SE all of a sudden give great customer service? I mean it took days to get his account back to snuff and some people that have had theirs hacked wait months to get their stuff back. It just didn't seemed off...kind of like "oops we better get this straightened out quick before anyone notices".

<ConspiracyTheory>
SE hired the RMTs to do it and gave all of our information to a third party...
</ConspiracyTheory>

That conspiracy theory is not mine lol, but I do remember somebody mentioning it as a possibility around the time when the accounts first started being stolen.

(Edit: Now that I think about it, I think it was somebody that came to the forums after their account had been stolen a 2nd time and said that.)
(Editx2:

I still think it odd that no key logger was found. I think FFXI has employees that are doing it.

It was from this topic LOL.)

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Do we really need to buy a security token?

Ya so are we. But after he scrutinized his system to see if it was on his end and found nothing, we started thinking it over. Why would SE all of a sudden give great customer service? I mean it took days to get his account back to snuff and some people that have had theirs hacked wait months to get their stuff back. It just didn't seemed off...kind of like "oops we better get this straightened out quick before anyone notices".