FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

[Feba]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

you're assuming I'm not a lazy bastard though.


I haven't even left my house in like a month.


hell if I'm looking through man pages when I haven't just broken something.

[Mhurron]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

man wget

[Feba]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I should probably learn to use wget sometime, I could think of plenty of things I'd like to do with it if I really knew what it did.

[Mhurron]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Read it says KI

None of them rival the speed of my local hdd. They might be more up to date soon though.

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

... and my static copy of wiki.ffxiclopedia.org.

wget is so neat
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Where the hell did that come from?
No, seriously, where did that come from?

Read it says KI

[Mhurron]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

The outcome no matter what is this:
Allawiki
Bgwiki
Ffxi wikia

... and my static copy of wiki.ffxiclopedia.org.



wget is so neat
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So are you ready to boycott Windows?

Where the hell did that come from?

No, seriously, where did that come from?

[Feba]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

So are you ready to boycott Windows?

six months ahead of you.

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Well, atleast from personal experience, I learned more about crafting in 30 minutes of tooling around their crafting boards, than in 2+ years of looking at Mystery Tour. Not to discredit mystery tour, I used and still use their site constatly for figuring out what to skillup on next, but as far as HQ rates, break rates, how many levels synth support and adv. synth support give, and even break rates and average skillup rates post 60, I found all on BG long before any other sites had it posted. Now, a lot of sites have since posted it, but a full year+ other sites posted it as fact, it was already being discussed and considered fact on the BG forums, usually with hard data to back it up.
Again, I can undestand a lot of people's aversion to using it, what with the plethora of drama that goes on there, but you really can't discount the knowledge those forums contain. A-holes or not, they know their shit.

Ya the crafting sections should be very very detailed about alot of the hq mechanics and data. Sadly Caspian, people here if they are in the no matter what Bg are elitist a-holes, they use it to discredit all knowledge. Most of them are butt hurt because they had their egos broke by someone with a bigger one.

If people could even tho they may not support/like a site be able to admit that they have knowledge, we really wouldn't have these problems.

I'm going to give BG wiki a chance, Sonomaa will do his best to make sure the mods are the sensible posters, and with people like BRP...

I stopped agreeing with you right there. You could have saved yourself with just Elmer the Pointy, but no. I'm willing to give the rest of what you said a benefit of a doubt, but I'll respect the man the steps to the mic before the guy that hides on a forum and calls people names.

Yes we know you are all butt hurt about BRP calling you out. Normally you do make posts that are so retarded (ffxi gameplay wise/ bitching about your job is not the best) that many of us go WTF. Trust me its a community joke at times BBQ, like my spelling grammar in my posts, just a standing joke.

Now let us get serious on this BBQ, it really does not matter if you are a friend of BRP or an enemy. BRP knows lore, he is not a dumb person. Ya he can be an a-hole at times, as we all can be. Just because you are not friendly with him you can not just discredit his knowledge.

We are not friends, but if someone on this board comes seeking knowledge on corsair, I send them to you. Hate =/= person has no knowledge. One day you may realize this and you can become a better asset to the community.

Elmer is one of the people on BG I will give my respect even if he doesn't see eye-to-eye with me.
As for FFXIC responding, seeing as a lot of people on BG had already made up thier minds and even people on Alla appearing to have more open minds about the topic, we have little more than a "Damned if you do and damned if you don't" scenario.
Responding to it right away would have just stoked the flames, if you ask me, these kids were out for blood. But its really hearsay now either way, we'll never know. All we can do is wait for them to issue a response and watch.
Found this little gem on KI:
He makes a good point.
So are you ready to boycott Windows?

They were not out for blood until they refused to comment, Ganiman sent his lackeys and they said he would not comment on it, that sparked the already volatile situation. You have made up your mind but atleast post the facts rather then lies.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Smile everyone, the situation made it to Fandom Wank - and with the posturing from both sides in this thread, I can see why...

http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1110885.html

My issue is that the FFXIC people haven't responded - which makes them look bad. Also kind of proves Taj's point...

I'm going to give BG wiki a chance, Sonomaa will do his best to make sure the mods are the sensible posters, and with people like BRP....

I stopped agreeing with you right there. You could have saved yourself with just Elmer the Pointy, but no. I'm willing to give the rest of what you said a benefit of a doubt, but I'll respect the man the steps to the mic before the guy that hides on a forum and calls people names. Elmer is one of the people on BG I will give my respect even if he doesn't see eye-to-eye with me.

As for FFXIC responding, seeing as a lot of people on BG had already made up thier minds and even people on Alla appearing to have more open minds about the topic, we have little more than a "Damned if you do and damned if you don't" scenario.

Responding to it right away would have just stoked the flames, if you ask me, these kids were out for blood. But its really hearsay now either way, we'll never know. All we can do is wait for them to issue a response and watch.

Found this little gem on KI:

So essentially they had other ppl do the work and they profited from it? Same way Billy boy got rich along with Donald loltrump.

He makes a good point.

So are you ready to boycott Windows?

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Also, as BG wiki is apparently copying FFXIclopedia articles, those articles must also be under the GFDL-- if BG doesn't delete anything containing any content whatsoever from FFXiclopedia they can't have a restrictive license.

I can't find direct source (i.e. a post from Sonomaa), but here:

Why isn't the BGwiki GFDL? Not to get too much of a free vs. proprietary argument, but I don't see any benefit to closing off the wiki. Plus, if it's GFDL, that means that BGwiki can instantly copy any and all of the useful data the community has already put into ffxiclopedia (with no legal worries) without having to try to reinvent the wheel with a mega-thesaurus to avoid legal gotchas.

Plus, the ultimate accountability to the community is being able to take our community knowledge and move on if things go sour (see: current events). Not that I doubt BG admins' intent, but sh*t happens; people quit the game (or have to quit), free hosting deals change, etc. For all the negatives about the ffxiclopedia deal, the one good thing is that their choice to go GFDL from the start means that they can't lock up the community's work.

So, it's well known that BG wiki will not be copying from FFXIclopedia, and it will not be using GFDL (GNU FDL).

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Edit:

BG will not die as long as FFXI is alive. Trust me. The sponsor is possibly more of a concern, but I am sure there will be back ups inplace.

I rather not place trust in such a thing; expansion and replication is the key to survival through time, and sounds like BG plans on no one by themselves able to copy--meaning all back ups and the BG wiki itself is essentially in the same basket.

[Kirsteena]

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What happens if BG dies, then? Or if the sponsor--which is the bandwidth provider--goes out of business? (Or just declines to donate bandwidth further?) Does that mean the collective body of work will be lost?
I'm not very happy at the thought of a major body of info on FFXI can go down the drain just like that. .

BG will not die as long as FFXI is alive. Trust me. The sponsor is possibly more of a concern, but I am sure there will be back ups inplace.

[Feba]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

More than that, it seems like they want a fairly restrictive licensing scheme, to the point where no one can copy substantial amount of information and mirror it elsewhere.

this would make Wiki copyrights pretty much impossible... unless they make the license "oh btw all your copyrights to this are gone, you agree that this person has full copyright control over it. bitch." type stuff, and people that contribute to Wikis generally don't like that.

Also, as BG wiki is apparently copying FFXIclopedia articles, those articles must also be under the GFDL-- if BG doesn't delete anything containing any content whatsoever from FFXiclopedia they can't have a restrictive license.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

While I was on FFXIclopedia's IRC channel, a thought occurred to me: the GNU FDL ensures the information can always be copied, and allows people to profit off of it--a financial incentive to keep the information alive, if you will.

Looks like BG wiki will be far more locked down--from what I've been told, only a single sponsor will be permitted, and no one else may potentially profit from it. More than that, it seems like they want a fairly restrictive licensing scheme, to the point where no one can copy substantial amount of information and mirror it elsewhere.

What happens if BG dies, then? Or if the sponsor--which is the bandwidth provider--goes out of business? (Or just declines to donate bandwidth further?) Does that mean the collective body of work will be lost?

I'm not very happy at the thought of a major body of info on FFXI can go down the drain just like that.

With FFXIclopedia's FDL, at least the content can be freely copied and hosted elsewhere as long as FDL is followed, should anything goes wrong. (Heck, or if someone feels like copying it for fun.) This BG wiki, aiming to have more in-depth info than FFXIclopedia, may doom the future of its content by insisting on author ownership of every piece of info it hosts. -_-;

Hopefully my fears are unfounded, but as BG wiki becomes closer and closer to reality, I hope this issue will be addressed soon.

[Kirsteena]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Smile everyone, the situation made it to Fandom Wank - and with the posturing from both sides in this thread, I can see why...

http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1110885.html

My issue is that the FFXIC people haven't responded - which makes them look bad. Also kind of proves Taj's point...

I'm going to give BG wiki a chance, Sonomaa will do his best to make sure the mods are the sensible posters, and with people like BRP and Elmer the Pointy no doubt going to do a lot for questing and lore, I really don't think it will be as bad as the rabid BG haters think it will.

[Amele]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

mysterytour has nothing on the technical craft knowledge that's sitting in bg's craft forum (if know where to look and who to talk to)

mysterytour is great for recipes and great for purchasing locations etc. etc.

if I want to get an estimate of how much it's going to cost me to get that tier 0 HQ or how many stacks of materials I should expect to burn through to get from 56 to 60 in a subcraft, there's only two sites to go to (thecraft and bg) and one of them has alot faster turn around since there's a ton more posters.