Why is there so much NA bashing?

[Murphie]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

You can get some kickass pad thai here, so I'm cool.

[Feba]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

That shouldn't matter.

Yeah, try to do it yourself, then tell me it doesn't fucking matter.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

Ok, it's not entirely common place. But take that post about Seacoms, a lot of NA crap in there =/.

lol. It started off as "NA players don't like to use search comments" (and I find anecdotal evidence for that, too), and got into a bit about how NA and JP players do things differently.

As someone who often partied with mixed JP/NA parties and speak a little Japanese, I have some random observations:
1. There are bad JP players, and bad NA players. (Duh!)
2. Generally speaking, it's slightly easier to get NA players to deviate from "the standard" to try something new. JP players LOVE their standard setups, and are hard to budge sometimes, unless what's "new" to you is something they've already done before.
3. JP healers tend to over-cure, by a lot. JP healers are deathly afraid of death for everyone but themselves. >_>;
4. NA players don't like to take the effort to setup group collaboration such as SC and setting up who covers what enfeebs or -na spells. They especially hate doing this before party get started--seem impatient to move to camp and start exp'ing. NA players tend to rely on people figure out what on their own to do as the party rolls.
5. JP players (especially mid and lower levels) want to know the exact roles for everyone ahead of battle. (This more than about SC's or how long the party will last; it's fairly common to settle even minor details like who is suppose to cast which -na on whom before leaving for camp for mobs with AoE status effects.)
6. JP players don't mind camp crowding as much--well, they are better at tolerating it than most NA players. (This drives me crazy; I consider it a major fault!)
7. Not all JP players hate NA players. Some seek us out, because we are carefree and aren't very strict or demanding. But, they are in the minority--most JP players accept NA invites with very low expectations, or invite us but give us less duty than they would expect from JP players with the same job.
8. JP players trash NA players in party chats. NA players trash JP players in party chats. On this, we're both the same!
9. NA players in general are not as polite as JP players; even in the absolutely most horrible JP parties, people still /bow to each other after they end! (Yes, very personal experience: my RNG (Lv.12-ish?) on skeletons. Out-DD'ed the JP MNK. ewwwwww....)

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Generally, I prefer JP pickup parties over NA ones. No cursing, people are polite, parties leave town with a plan (hey, I actually know which support job to sub would be best and which gears I need!), and not a lot of expectation placed on me (yay for being "foreigner". hahah).

Best of all, I know pretty much how long it'd last--2.5 hour? 3 hours? Yes, everyone will have that much time or else they'd say so ahead of time. None of this 45 min into party, tank levels, then immediately goes: "Gotta run. Thanks for party" stuff.

That said, it can get lonely after a while; they don't even like to read the romanji I type. T_T

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The best kind of party isn't JP party, it's LS party. The only which tops that is a static LS party.

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You can get some kickass pad thai here, so I'm cool.

Most Pad Thai I've tried in California had been nearly inedible. T_T On the other hand, the papaya salad with crushed crab from the Thai temple is incredible, if I do have to cry while eating it. (It's spicy hot!)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

The only issues I take with JP players are the following:

(1) "JP Only" - yeah, buddy, way to reach out to the international community. Elighten me to what language an NA WHM needs to know outside of your health bar? I don't think any amount of English or Japanese is going to add to or take away from my ablity to cure you. Most JP PTs I've ever had are rather quiet, anyway, so I just don't understand this.

(2) Not seeking replacements - Its fine that you want to leave with your friends after a set amount of playtime, however, its is common courtesy in the NA/EU MMORPG community to actively seek out your own replacement before you leave a PT without a role.

NA and EU players do not always live in the same time zones, so we can't organize set amount of playtime between friends as easily as JP players do. This is why we appreciate people who find a replacement for themselves.

Nothing is more aggravating than getting an invite only to have a PT forced to disband because the JP RDM left with his friend w/o explaination or a replacement. Its seen as really, really rude.

[Feba]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

1 is usually because they're afraid of offending someone or not wanting to worry with the AT. I do agree that when it's done out of racism, it's annoying as hell, though.

2- I think this is more because they're used to a PT disbanding when it leaves and not getting replacements, I've met quite a few people that thing getting replacements is rude, since a lot of times they get the ass end of the party.

[Bonus]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

There's a difference between patriotism and being overtly biased. Being a patriot doesn't mean you're some slack-jawed idiot who only supports the war because Bush said you should. Being a patriot means being proud of your country, and shouldn't be thought of as negative.

I just like to add to that comment. For example, in the trial of Hermann Wilhelm Göring, aleading member of the Nazi Party and second in command of Third Reich, for war crimes and crimes against humnanity in 1945. This is what he said:

"Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

[Nazo]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

(2) Not seeking replacements - Its fine that you want to leave with your friends after a set amount of playtime, however, its is common courtesy in the NA/EU MMORPG community to actively seek out your own replacement before you leave a PT without a role.

Is it? I never do, I will give the leader notice of when I have to go, at least 30 mins ahead of time, then let them decide what they want to do. In most of the pts I have been in this is the way it has gone too. Firstly, I find it discourteous to the leader of the pt to make decisions about who or what should be in their party. Secondly there's nothing worse than trekking half way across the world only for your new party to disband 5 minutes after you get there, it happened to me so many times in my 60s that in the end I just flat out refused to join any party that was already in progress. If the leader is satisfied that the party will continue for a worthwhile amount of time then that's their call but I'm not going to take responsibility for a party that I am leaving and have no control over.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

This is why I like JP-majority parties... You already know everyone will be playing for how long, and when the time comes everyone goes back to town. No frantic search for replacement in the middle of Refresh / Haste /enfeeb / cure / sleep / Refresh /... routine, either.

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(1) "JP Only" - yeah, buddy, way to reach out to the international community. Elighten me to what language an NA WHM needs to know outside of your health bar? I don't think any amount of English or Japanese is going to add to or take away from my ablity to cure you. Most JP PTs I've ever had are rather quiet, anyway, so I just don't understand this.

I know what you mean by this, but it's not exactly racism. At least, not to the JP players. It's stereotyping, but more like "All New Yorkers are rude" and "Everyone in Texas speak with thick accent/drawl" (instead of, say, "God put Negros on earth for use as slaves.")

The JP stereotype for NA is "unprepared and uncooperative", I think, and "hard to communicate with".

It's like assuming all rank 1 party leaders have gimped support job, gears 10 level out of date, and zero clue about anything. It's casually assumed to be true, though when you really ask someone about it they will go "Oh, guess that won't apply to returning players on new characters or bored a Lv.75 dude leveling a mule."

But, just as most of us been burned by those "rank 1 and rank 2 noobs" in Valkrum Dunes and Qufim Island (and beyond), so have the JP players been burned by less than stellar NA players.

It's not fair to lump us all together with them, but it's not exactly a racial thing, either.

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There was a time when almost all JP players know the basics of partying while the NA players were largely clueless. You can say that was when NA players earned their bad reputation, or you can say that was when JP players became misinformed about NA players.

Or, you can say that's when JP players began to teach NA players how to exp in this game better, slightly broken English be darned (circa Mar, 2004? Or earlier?).

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

Can't believe such an old, dead horse managed to limp at least three pages already.

[Feba]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

well we need something to talk about, until an update comes we'll flog it.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

Yeah, I'm on holiday this week and first day is maintenance.

Granted, I seem to have more work to do on my holidays than I do while I'm working. All that crap you end up putting off that eventually comes back to haunt you.

I guess I'll just mess around on EQ2 while they patch in the FFXI update.

[Mhurron]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

And Dopples, what if you don't like it? You're basically saying that every country on earth is perfect for it's people.
Jei, maybe a little personal, but is there a reason why you'd rather live in the states than any other country, like Austrailia, Canada, UK, etc?

Canada is cold damnit.

Can't believe such an old, dead horse managed to limp at least three pages already.

Dead horses are surprisingly resilient.

[Sevv]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

Itaz do you have a problem on ifrit? We have only a few Jp Only players, most ifrit's jps will give you a shot. I do alot of things with jps now, let the whole jp v na thing die...

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

Itaz do you have a problem on ifrit? We have only a few Jp Only players, most ifrit's jps will give you a shot. I do alot of things with jps now, let the whole jp v na thing die...

Did you even read my post? I like JP parties.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: Why is there so much NA bashing?

Generally, I prefer JP pickup parties over NA ones. No cursing, people are polite...

Ditto. I have yet to play with a JP who felt the need to put ASCII boobs into their Flash macro.