absolute virtue popped and...

[Omni]

Re: absolute virtue popped and...

This is the average FFXI players mentality. Have you guys ever realised that some encounters are not made to be defeated on a LS's first attempt?...

Jailer of Love / Absolute Virtue will die eventually. People will figure out a stratagy that worked and execute it properly. Not everything is to be given on a platter...... unlike Fafnir/Nidhogg, Apisch and KB... of whom are absolute jokes and serve to feed the average players mentality.

Besides, SE has stated that this encounter was beaten internally.

i concur. where's your fighting spirit people!
i think SE added the insane regen into some of these nm's because they might want to make LS's avoid using brute force strats. ie: 30 blm to nuke it to kingdom come. or before on (now) older hnm, rng rng rng rng rng rng rng rng and rng.

i like macht's idea of using the virtue weapons. there's going to be a way discovered on how to beat these guys and when that happens, everyone will look back and say wtf was i thinking? AV? phft!

[LadyPeorth]

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Absolute Virtue is the Kirin of Sea. Let's leave it at that.

[Tryce]

Re: absolute virtue popped and...

This is the average FFXI players mentality. Have you guys ever realised that some encounters are not made to be defeated on a LS's first attempt?...

Jailer of Love / Absolute Virtue will die eventually. People will figure out a stratagy that worked and execute it properly. Not everything is to be given on a platter...... unlike Fafnir/Nidhogg, Apisch and KB... of whom are absolute jokes and serve to feed the average players mentality.

Besides, SE has stated that this encounter was beaten internally.

Yea, I know. That's why I stated I didn't know anything about it because I wasn't there, and I also said there has to be a strategy to it surely. I also don't understand why you had to say I had an "Average Player's Mentality", I was just sayin' what I think. Yea I've seen the wyrms and been through the whole "This thing can't be beaten" stage more than once, but this just looks like something way more powerful than the rest of em. But like I said I don't know anymore about it than anyone else does. Yea, SE said their testers beat it with how many, 16 people or something? 36 maybe, can't remember what the post said. But anyway, like you stated, yes it can and will be beaten sometime, and I think we're in agreement that there has to be more of a strategy to it than nuking.

[Aeni]

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and I think we're in agreement that there has to be more of a strategy to it than nuking.

BLMs are highly overrated. ;3a

(To keep this from being a flamed post)

CoP was suppose to feature nothingness. It was also (supposedly) made so that BLMs wouldn't be able to deal damage against it using just purely elemental spells.

I wonder whatever happened to that idea ... x3

[Rones]

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You claim strat all you want, but they did try that. CFH + over 60 people using 2hours at the same time in a coordinated attack. They did massive damage to it and it only dropped to 98% before regenning to 100% in a couple seconds. Unless there is a specific item to nerf that regen, there is no way to damage that fast enough (totally ignoringg its extremely high damage output through chainspelled metor). I think SE got sick of seeing the players beat everything, and decided to make an impossible nm. No amount of strategy can overcome something this buff.

[Manatra]

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Well what kind of strategy is chain nuking it with a bunch of BLMs anyway? If that is the way SE did beat it, and is the way you're supposed to beat it, then it's quite frankly the stupidest fight I have ever seen.

[Rones]

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Its the strategy for maximum damage over the shortest period of time. How is a strat design involving less dmg spread over a longer period of time going to fair any better against a regen that overwhelemd that damage output in seconds? If 30+ blms nuking at the same time (along with lots of melees with 2hour) with it CFH and all doing decent dmg don't get past 98% before regen takes it back to 100%...there's no strat that allows an alliance of any job to damage it fast enough to overcome that regen. Only reason the jailor even died was extreme use of blms.

[Aeni]

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Its the strategy for maximum damage over the shortest period of time. How is a strat design involving less dmg spread over a longer period of time going to fair any better against a regen that overwhelemd that damage output in seconds? If 30+ blms nuking at the same time (along with lots of melees with 2hour) with it CFH and all doing decent dmg don't get past 98% before regen takes it back to 100%...there's no strat that allows an alliance of any job to damage it fast enough to overcome that regen. Only reason the jailor even died was extreme use of blms.

Again, no imagination.

Read my posts above. And I reiterate:

BLMs are highly overrated. It took SE to place a regen monster to make players think outside of the box, yet clearly players do not.

Besides, what is the use of CFH if you can't get the drops? Pretty pathetic.

[Omni]

Re: absolute virtue popped and...

You claim strat all you want, but they did try that. CFH + over 60 people using 2hours at the same time in a coordinated attack. They did massive damage to it and it only dropped to 98% before regenning to 100% in a couple seconds. Unless there is a specific item to nerf that regen, there is no way to damage that fast enough (totally ignoringg its extremely high damage output through chainspelled metor). I think SE got sick of seeing the players beat everything, and decided to make an impossible nm. No amount of strategy can overcome something this buff.

didnt this just pop today? like early this morning? you got to be kidding me if you're making conclusions when it hasnt even been 24 hours since AV was discovered.

didnt they say they're looking to adjust blm also? maybe they're tired of players just stacking blm's (like rngs before the patch) and frying everything just b/c players are afraid to lose. really, how uninteresting would it be if you defeat JoL and AV just flops over b/c you sent 30 blm at him. how much strat is that? 0.

if 30 blm is all it took to kill anything in the game, or even come close, why even have other jobs? ok ok, u can have a brd and rdm per pt to give refresh. and maybe a tanking/marathoning pt. everyone else? go home youre not wanted!

im really starting to believe that the massive regen is to counter such tactics as a 30 blm bumrush. i mean, 17 blm can take out AA in about 2.5 volleys of -ga spells, i dont really think SE wanted one of the climatic battles of RoZ to last only 45s. that's just 1 example of why i think Aeni is right when it comes to strat.

i also dont think sage sundi would make up stuff when he says the test team beat it. im sure the test team beat it several times also and possibly went into the battle blind as well. it wouldnt be much of a test team if they knew everything about AV.

[Sammonoske]

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BLMs just wont cut it, no matter how many. Looking at its insane HP regen. BLMs would be stuck repeating and having to cure the tanks so they can repeat and not get owned. But Instant Meteor kinda just beats every strategy anyways.. wait till BLU comes out ..

[Rones]

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Again, no imagination.

Read my posts above. And I reiterate:

BLMs are highly overrated. It took SE to place a regen monster to make players think outside of the box, yet clearly players do not.

Oh I read it. And what good will any other strategy do against an nm that can regen the dmg from 30+ blms two houring with and ES within seconds? I don't care how long you fight, you aren't going to even come close to that dmg output without all blms. If there is some item that weakens it regen, that will leave the stacked blm strategy just as effective as it already is.

Besides, what is the use of CFH if you can't get the drops? Pretty pathetic.

Hmm, perhaps because a alliance of 18 couldn't do enough DPS to even scratch it. So CFH and have 30+ blms along with 30 other people attack it at once just too see how tough it was...and discover 60 DD can not beat the regen.

Strats on old hnms worked because it was just a matter of staying alive long enough to widdle it down. Give a mob insane regen, and staying alive is no longer the main problem, reaching high enough damage over the shortest period, or at least do more than the regen. If blms can't even beat the regen for a few seconds, how do you expect anyone else to match that kind of dmg. Someone even said they did might strikes + 2hour double minuet + sa + sturmwind for 860 dmg, which was regened instantly.

im really starting to believe that the massive regen is to counter such tactics as a 30 blm bumrush.

That makes so much since. Let's hurt blms by totally screwing over every melee job even worse. The only way to to hurt blm without ruining melees against nm is giving the mob very high magic resistance. If SE really wanted to make hnms non blm spam fests, they could that at anytime.

[Macht]

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It surprises me to no end to see players to think a MMO game could not enforce a stratagy that requires more then just brute force. Especially with it being SE and of no other game FINAL FANTASY!

Anyone who's played previous FF games knows SE can make monsters requiring conditions to beat it. It could be possible that the 7 weapons of virtue each one has a hidden effect of absorbing out a virtue, if that is case then it may be likely that 1 of the 7 will absorb out AV regen ability. Then one may absorb out its defence, one may absorb out its strength, and so on.

[Brayden]

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So far I am liking the "7 weapons of virtue" idea best. That seems to make the most sense

[dmr]

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it isnt only his hp regen rate...did you see his attacks? (im sure you did lol) any of his attacks will wipe an entire alliance in 2 secs, there is a screenshot where you can see how he kills 39 people with an instant meteor and you saw his pets doing a AoE mijin gakure for 4k dmg.
i think that there is some trick to have a chance against him, maybe that virtue weapons, maybe an item that nerf him... who knows
i dont have sea access and i didnt fight that NMs or sea gods and i dont know how to pop them but that people is saying that they spent months farming the items to pop each NM to fight JoL, they killed him in 4 hours and then after 2 mins AV pops and wipe them,congrats to that ppl who killed JoL and popped AV but i think that the time spent to be able to fight this thing is time wasted...
take your time and read the posts on the link and see the screenshots, you will realize that this thing cannot be killed unless there is a special trick or something, someone posted that when they called for help there was 96 people hitting him and they only took him to 98% , make your own conclusions....i dont know in what was thinking SE when they made AV
btw they said AV had all 2hr , imagine him using benediction at 1% or 5%

[Macht]

Re: absolute virtue popped and...

it isnt only his hp regen rate...did you see his attacks? (im sure you did lol) any of his attacks will wipe an entire alliance in 2 secs, there is a screenshot where you can see how he kills 39 people with an instant meteor and you saw his pets doing a AoE mijin gakure for 4k dmg.
i think that there is some trick to have a chance against him, maybe that virtue weapons, maybe an item that nerf him... who knows
i dont have sea access and i didnt fight that NMs or sea gods and i dont know how to pop them but that people is saying that they spent months farming the items to pop each NM to fight JoL, they killed him in 4 hours and then after 2 mins AV pops and wipe them,congrats to that ppl who killed JoL and popped AV but i think that the time spent to be able to fight this thing is time wasted...
take your time and read the posts on the link and see the screenshots, you will realize that this thing cannot be killed unless there is a special trick or something, someone posted that when they called for help there was 96 people hitting him and they only took him to 98% , make your own conclusions....i dont know in what was thinking SE when they made AV
btw they said AV had all 2hr , imagine him using benediction at 1% or 5%

That's why I believe the 7 weapons of virtue may be it. As you see AV has amazing Fortitude (Defense), Temperance (Excessiveness, all the 2hrs and attack strength?), Faith (Converted to the games aspect being Divinity or Healing), Justice (How AV controls hate? Remember reading something about his hate being different), Hope (Converted possibly Meteor?), Love (Possibly the pet summons?), and Prudence (People mention AV almost seem to return the stradegy back on them possibly this alters that)