Ever Wonder About IGE and SE?

[Hori]

Re: Ever Wonder About IGE and SE?

FXI is a recognizable trademark.

Show me where S-E has trademarked FFXI?

I cant make a game called Final Fantasy XI but I sure as hell can make a game called FFXI, if any problems from SE I just say it stands for Fairies Fighting Xenophobic Illiterates

Now you are correct about somethings but you are also wrong about somethings:sweat:

I doubt SE and IGE are working together at all and like someone else stated IGE HQ is in Hong Kong so US Law or even Japan law means about as much as this thread does there.

[DJplaeskool]

Re: Ever Wonder About IGE and SE?

Although Square Enix does have trademark rights, both pending and not pending, on the abbreviated terms: POL, POL.COM, MYPOL, and SQEX; they do not hold any trademark to "FFXI," therefore, anyone could have used this and registered for ffxi.com and Square Enix has no legal authority to stop them, though they could kindly ask for it (ask the original owner of Firefox.com)...

[TheGrandMom]

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Exactly. To associate the url in question along with IGE and SE being in bed with one another is far fetched. I agree with Pounce, they are "tolerating" them WAY too much which does seem like suspicious behavior. But there is no way that IGE would share when it can just take what it wants without SE's blessing. One of the reasons that SE doesn't do mass bannings is because its been done before in other MMO's and innocent people do get caught up in it. Bad press is not what they want.

As far as the google lawsuit, any company that has someone hurting their business is going to after them. The sites in question were malicious and giving google a bad rep. That is why they went after them. It really didn't have so much to do with the names as with the content.

[kuu]

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Actually there is a well known practice of "Holding domain names ransom"

Basically, people buy domain names that they think will be popular, and then set it for a high price hoping the companies/person in question will buy it off them. Like handling stock.

There's no such thing as copyright when it comes to domain names. Whoever gets it first has it.

[Blood Red Poet]

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Jesus christ. Someone needs to chill out.

Whatever you say, crazy consipracy man.

[Jei]

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There's no such thing as copyright when it comes to domain names. Whoever gets it first has it.

there are and there have been many companies that won their lawsuite against ppl registering their names to resell.

[kuu]

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there are and there have been many companies that won their lawsuite against ppl registering their names to resell.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

Can I copyright my domain name?
Copyright law does not protect domain names. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), a nonprofit organization that has assumed the responsibility for domain name system management, administers the assignation of domain names through accredited registers.

What companies sue and have won on is infringement of copyright of logos and other stuff, considered under slander. If a person is just the domain name, it's fair game.

[TheGrandMom]

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What companies sue and have won on is infringement of copyright of logos and other stuff, considered under slander. If a person is just holding the domain name, it's fair game.

Exactly. If the url is used with malicious intent (i.e. the Google fiasco) then they have every right to go after people like that.

SE would have to have legal precident that what IGE is doing is wrong. Once they had that then they could go after people that have related domain names (i.e. www.ffxi.com) that redirect or advertise gil selling. Like I said earlier, not gonna happen. In no way does it indicate that they are in bed with IGE.

[kuu]

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Exactly. If the url is used with malicious intent (i.e. the Google fiasco) then they have every right to go after people like that.

SE would have to have legal precident that what IGE is doing is wrong. Once they had that then they could go after people that have related domain names (i.e. www.ffxi.com) that redirect or advertise gil selling. Like I said earlier, not gonna happen. In no way does it indicate that they are in bed with IGE.

Somehow I knew someone would bring that one up...just not so quick... unfortunelly you're making an ant hill into a mountain.

IGE does not slander SE in anyway. Nowhere do they say that "S-E sucks", or it's "endorsed by S-E" or anything else anti S-E. Infact they try to play the "good guy" by "claiming" they denounce bots, mpk" and so on.

S-E is suing IGE for breech of ToS on a mass scale. This is not about websites. Their website is as clean as a whistle.

There is a bigggggg(and I do mean big) difference between slander, and breaking ToS.

It's like me suing you for living next to me and having midnight parties. I sue you under lifestyle laws, NOT for living next to me. Such that no amount of whining will make you move away..it's a completely different issue.

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Also unfortuned is that I think S-E will lose againist IGE in the lawsuit. Promoting a means to break ToS does not mean they are violating anything big. They even have disclaimers like "Do so at your own risk, because ffxi can ban you for this".

It's the same as modding your ps2. Sony can ban players or refuse warranty for modded ps2, but the can not sue the modchip sellers.

[TheGrandMom]

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Kuu...umm....you totally misread what I said. I was agreeing with you for god's sake. I never said a thing about IGE slandering SE. ROFL I said, here I'll bold it for you this time,

SE would have to have legal precident that what IGE is doing is wrong.

I'm addressing to the original poster about their "conspirasy theory" and his Google reference.

[kuu]

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Kuu...umm....you totally misread what I said. I was agreeing with you for god's sake. I never said a thing about IGE slandering SE. ROFL I said, here I'll bold it for you this time,

SE would have to have legal precident that what IGE is doing is wrong.

I'm addressing to the original poster about their "conspirasy theory" and his Google reference.

Oh my, my imagination got the better of me :sweat: Sorry

[Kafeen]

Re: Ever Wonder About IGE and SE?

and anyone that says "s-e can't ban gil sellers" is living in some kind of alternate reality. they have the technical means, they have the legal right, they have the necessary info. they could do it any time they want.

Noone said they couldn't ban gil sellers. I said they couldn't take legal action, banning the accounts is all they can do but then they just buy new accounts anyway. Gil is laundered so the chacacters that farm aren't the final sellers. That way even if one is banned the sellers still have their high level characters to farm more.

how do i know S.E an IGE are in bed playing back door raiders??? its very simple being how i was banned for a couple of days. the known mpkers, an amemet monopalizers ( both not alloud by S.E) sent a few lizards an crabs towards a group of noobs lvling on lizards an crabs.

after the rdm who tried hard to sleep the mobs was easily taken out. a bst buddy an i ran in to stop it.we managed to take the links, an bring them back towards the gil sellers who claimed amemet. they all died. sortly after that my buddy an i were arrested an charged with mpking a group. even though the party called a GM long before the 5 people we killed did.

there is proof floating around the web of things they actually try to do. so its not like we have no evidence. 75 lvls not counting other jobs without a GM confrontation. an for this we see 2 days in jail. compared to how many calls those players have on them. hell they had 6 from the pt alone. not including those who were in the tunnels when it happened.

im in jail an they are not. if the idea of S.E an IGE being bed buddies is a joke. hwo do you explain it? HOW ?

Because you MPKed their group so they reported you for it, probably attaching screenshots proving that you did. Gil Sellers do this for a living so if you try to stop them from earling their days wage they're going to do whatever they can to stop you.

Don't try to counteract gil sellers by MPKing them. It might make you feel good for a while but they're not just going to sit there and take it.

1) Whitehouse.gov and Whitehouse.com: White House is *NOT* a trademarked name. The government can't sue over names like Congress, Pentagon, etc.... because it isn't a corporation or a company. In effect, it's a public resource and not there for a profit. You could name your company FCC and nobody could do anything about it.

4) FFXI is a recognizable trademark. Even if the full version is Final Fantasy XI, anyone can easily prove that FFXI means the same thing - *especially* if the defendant is using that acronym in conjunction with your *product* to make money from it. It has nothing to do with gil selling, but open permission to use a trademark name for any business purpose whatsoever. It would be impossible for IGE to claim that they are not misusing the name FFXI or are not related in any way to the brand logo of FFXI since they have FFXI graphics all over their site and their entire business is based right off of the business entailed by the FFXI game. Like I couldn't, for example, create a site named Microsoft.org with the Microsoft logo all over it and sell hacks (not even illegal ones) to Microsoft software without Microsoft instantly shutting me down for illegal use of their logo because my entire business depends on theirs without their permission and people might think that I am a Microsoft representative (misrepresentation is a huge, huge, deal in these cases).

FFXI isn't a trademark either...

(c) 2001-2004 SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. All Rights Reserved. Title Design by Yoshitaka Amano. FINAL FANTASY, TETRA MASTER and VANA'DIEL are registered trademarks of Square Enix Co., Ltd. SQUARE ENIX, PLAYONLINE and the PlayOnline logo are trademarks of Square Enix Co., Ltd.

Note, FFXI isn't trademarked. "Final Fantasy" is, but not ffxi.

[little ninja]

Re: Ever Wonder About IGE and SE?

Noone said they couldn't ban gil sellers. I said they couldn't take legal action, banning the accounts is all they can do but then they just buy new accounts anyway. Gil is laundered so the chacacters that farm aren't the final sellers. That way even if one is banned the sellers still have their high level characters to farm more.


Because you MPKed their group so they reported you for it, probably attaching screenshots proving that you did. Gil Sellers do this for a living so if you try to stop them from earling their days wage they're going to do whatever they can to stop you.

Don't try to counteract gil sellers by MPKing them. It might make you feel good for a while but they're not just going to sit there and take it.



FFXI isn't a trademark either...

Note, FFXI isn't trademarked. "Final Fantasy" is, but not ffxi.

did you read anything i wrote prior to my friend an i bringing the mobs back on the gil farmers. obviously you didnt. 12 people outside my friend an i contacted the GM as it was happening. there was even shouts about taking pictures of them doing it. people on my server cheer us on. yeah we did the wrong thing by mpking. but we also did the honorable thing. we tried to save 1 pt, an punisish those who were in the wrong.

we took a stand for something that wasnt right. the party in no way could ever take on amemet. yet the sellers felt the need to mpk them. its my RL nature. i never let the person being the bully get the upper hand on anyone else. so im certainly not going to allow it around me ingame.

an FINAL FANTASY, an all its chars, images, an likeness are indeed copyrighted. IGE uses this to make money. thus S.E can seek legal actions against the company.

[kuu]

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an FINAL FANTASY, an all its chars, images, an likeness are indeed copyrighted. IGE uses this to make money. thus S.E can seek legal actions against the company.

Sooo... in that case sammy/sega is going to ban you for using ggx char as your avatar as well?

There's only so much of a case you can build.

Just using references isn't going to stop IGE. Even under US copyright laws that's a frivious case, which JP laws seem even worse, and since IGE main charter is in HK, you have to deal with HK copyright laws. GL trying to build anything decent with "Feel and likeness"

If you're going to shut IGE down, you have to prove 3 things, Slander, intent, and, disruption of services. All are very weak, as 1: IGE does not badmouth S-E in anyway and 2: they have disclaimers.

The only thing left is to prove they disrupt services...which is tricky, since IGE isn't hacking or anything that phyicially "stops" players from playing.

[fastcart]

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The only thing left is to prove they disrupt services...which is tricky, since IGE isn't hacking or anything that phyicially "stops" players from playing.

Unless they are the ones behind the third party DDOS attacks. Most ppl suspects gilsellers to be behind them. We just aren't sure which ones. Even then, it seems to be difficult for SE and various government agencies over the world to get them.