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[TheGrandMom]

LOL this topic is so way off topic it isn't funny! Cracks me up!

So your basing that all Americans are lazy just because you had a visit from people from another country or 2nd hand information that tends to be biased. LOL

First of all try looking at the ratio of population. Second of all try to go live for an extended period of time in another country. And last, try not to stereotype an entire group of people based on what a few do or do not do. I'm sure the U.S. would not have gotten to where it is today if everyone was lazy.

And like I said before, people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. How do you spend the time in your life?

[Macht]

Originally posted by TheGrandMom
LOL this topic is so way off topic it isn't funny! Cracks me up!

So your basing that all Americans are lazy just because you had a visit from people from another country or 2nd hand information that tends to be biased. LOL

First of all try looking at the ratio of population. Second of all try to go live for an extended period of time in another country. And last, try not to stereotype an entire group of people based on what a few do or do not do. I'm sure the U.S. would not have gotten to where it is today if everyone was lazy.

And like I said before, people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. How do you spend the time in your life?

In everything I stated I by no means based it on just one simple visit or 2nd hand information. I just did not feel like having to explain my entire life's experience since I was 8 of the various cultures and things I've learned. At 24 now that's a good 16 years of seeing so much of this.

I by no means stated myself to be better then anyone, but in the case of experience with other cultures I do feel I have more experience with it then most other people ever will. When talking about this with my own friends who have lived for a year or more in places like Korea and such also agree that the peoples additudes themselves are far different and very noticable.

The only bad part other countries have is the quality of their economies. As for ratio of people and culture I was including Egypt and India in there, places with ratio of people far exceeding America it isn't the population size at all.

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In a way it's not completly off topic. Very close to it but not completly since this is a discussion of XP bots and why someone would want to use them. It's kind of hanging there by just a thread, and like I stated I knew it was going to stir up complaints and elaborate ways of trying to state that America is no different then other places.

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by Macht
In everything I stated I by no means based it on just one simple visit or 2nd hand information. I just did not feel like having to explain my entire life's experience since I was 8 of the various cultures and things I've learned. At 24 now that's a good 16 years of seeing so much of this.

I by no means stated myself to be better then anyone, but in the case of experience with other cultures I do feel I have more experience with it then most other people ever will. When talking about this with my own friends who have lived for a year or more in places like Korea and such also agree that the peoples additudes themselves are far different and very noticable.

The only bad part other countries have is the equality of their economies. As for ratio of people and culture I was including Egypt and India in there, places with ratio of people far exceeding America it isn't the size at all.

Ok let me clarify, you can not make a blanket statement such as was made by simply saying "I know people that live in..." or "Someone told me this experience they had with..." In order to make an EDUCATED statement of fact, you must have the experience and knowledge to do so. So with a statement such as "All Americans are lazy", you would have to travel to many different countries and spend at least a year living in each. You would have to compare the cultures and populations and involve yourself in the intricacies of the seperate lifestyles within the countries. Once this exhaustive research was complete, you could then make a statement with factual evidence to back it up. Otherwise all your stating is hearsay and opinion.

The big issue here is that if Americans are so extremely lazy nothing would be accomplished.

Lazy: Resistant to work or exertion; disposed to idleness.

So then America would actually be a very underdeveloped nation because nothing was getting done. Since the facts support otherwise, its very apparent that the majority of Americans are not lazy but productive people. Now the majority of Americans that you PERSONALLY have met may have been lazy but to say that all Americans or the majority of them are, is disputable.

And who is to define the parameters of "lazy". I could be considered lazy because a store I frequent is just a few blocks from my house and I drive. So in some people's opinions that would be lazy. Or could it be that I am so busy with other tasks that I can't take the extra time to walk to the store? So am I still lazy? See different people apply different meanings to the word lazy and to how you define if someone is lazy.

I also believe that the age difference is an issue. Older generations tend to hold their culture closer to them than the younger generation. This in turn creates a lot of finger pointing because of different views on an issue. Again the definition of lazy will be different to each generation. As technology advances there is less "manpower" involved in some things. Sometimes the older generation see this as lazy. But the younger generation defends itself by saying that a lot of time went into the theory and application. Who's to say which is right? Or are they both right in some way?

I personally think that everyone is lazy to a degree. Certainly no one here can deny that. We all spend a good chunk of time on our computers playing FFXI or doing something else on them. If not the computer than a console or handheld system. Could that time be spent more productively? ABSOLUTELY! Should we all be labeled as lazy since we don't spend our time doing something else because of someone else's definition of lazy? Emphatically NO!

I've been around for sometime myself. LOL One thing that I know is stereotyping large groups of people is a very dangerous thing. It grows into things we all eventually regret and then we have to pick up the pieces and try to fix it. Sort of like whats going on in our society today. The statement "The majority of Americans that I know personally or have interacted with were lazy." is a much better way to put it.

Originally posted by Macht
...and like I stated I knew it was going to stir up complaints and elaborate ways of trying to state that America is no different then other places.

I am not stating that America is no different. Quite the contrary, it would be an asinine statement to do so. Different countries = different cultures. Different cultures = different ways of defining things. Different ways of defining things = conflict. Who's to say one is right and the other is wrong? Japanese people tend to hold issues inside of them, while American people tend to express themselves. Which is correct? When someone states that one or the other is correct, what gives them that right? Why can't we all just accept one another with all our positives and negatives in tact? Or is the old adage "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence." true?

[Macht]

Like I already stated I didn't feel like having to detail out 16 years of my life. Look at the number 16 YEARS!!! It doesn't take that long to learn a culture once you start getting acquainted with that culture and the various people you meet from there.

America is fairly well developed but there is by far a LOT more we could do that other countries have done. Do you even know in Egypt for heating their water they do not have a big clunky water heater sitting in their basement/garage or were ever. It's actually a very simplistic device about not bigger then the about 1 foot x 1 foot x 2 inches.

It's incredible how well that gets hot water to you far faster then my NEW HOUSE that I'm paying a damn 300k on. Techonologically wise many of them have had certain things for years that the US doesn't have, if they had the money they could easily drawf everything we did to look like nothing.

Of course the whole thing of free enterprise doesn't quite exist like it does here, their efforts and all in the end up being controlled and stiffled by their governments. You even know that most cultures across the see thrive on cell phones, even the poorest man in Egypt has a cell phone he uses well.

As far as generations weather you realized or not you made a stereotyping there as well. If the older generations were really looking at technology as being such a lazy way to do things then the 16 great aunts and uncles I have on my fathers side, my grandmother/father on my mothers side (father's side passed away but they could be included too), as well as my father and aunts two whole generations that didn't consider that as being lazy.

Like you said that though if you want to get that picky with such relativity then everything and anything can be classified as lazy and at the same not be lazy. Yes all of this is relative but the controlling factor on all of these is ironically the majority. If America is the only place saying they are not lazy and yet every other country says we are, guess what that's a majority saying we are.

I'm not at all trying to say America is bad in any way, but I would rather see that majority opinion change and the only way it will is if the people it's pointing too is aware of it and willing to accept that they may be. That's the only way they may have a reason to change it.

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Do keep in mind too, just because I automate a computer so that 1 person can do the job of 3 that is not making a function lazy nor does it take away any work persay. Now because of that action the 2 other people became 4 specialists that can improve another part of our marketing efforts.

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by Macht
Like I already stated I didn't feel like having to detail out 16 years of my life. Look at the number 16 YEARS!!! It doesn't take that long to learn a culture once you start getting acquainted with that culture and the various people you meet from there.

America is fairly well developed but there is by far a LOT more we could do that other countries have done. Do you even know in Egypt for heating their water they do not have a big clunky water heater sitting in their basement/garage or were ever. It's actually a very simplistic device about not bigger then the about 1 foot x 1 foot x 2 inches.

It's incredible how well that gets hot water to you far faster then my NEW HOUSE that I'm paying a damn 300k on. Techonologically wise many of them have had certain things for years that the US doesn't have, if they had the money they could easily drawf everything we did to look like nothing.

Of course the whole thing of free enterprise doesn't quite exist like it does here, their efforts and all in the end up being controlled and stiffled by their governments. You even know that most cultures across the see thrive on cell phones, even the poorest man in Egypt has a cell phone he uses well.

As far as generations weather you realized or not you made a stereotyping there as well. If the older generations were really looking at technology as being such a lazy way to do things then the 16 great aunts and uncles I have on my fathers side, my grandmother/father on my mothers side (father's side passed away but they could be included too), as well as my father and aunts two whole generations that didn't consider that as being lazy.

Like you said that though if you want to get that picky with such relativity then everything and anything can be classified as lazy and at the same not be lazy. Yes all of this is relative but the controlling factor on all of these is ironically the majority. If America is the only place saying they are not lazy and yet every other country says we are, guess what that's a majority saying we are.

I'm not at all trying to say America is bad in any way, but I would rather see that majority opinion change and the only way it will is if the people it's pointing too is aware of it and willing to accept that they may be. That's the only way they may have a reason to change it.

I see that your totally missing the point because your closing your mind. It does not good to even debate an issue with someone that can not concede that he lacks the experience to make such a blanket statement. Your 24, you say you have 16 years experience, that would make your experience from age 8+. You can not even make dispassionate observations until your an adult. I'll even be lenient here and say you can do this at age 16+, so now your "experience" is only 8 years. In 8 years, you could not accomplish what I stated by a long shot. But since you don't consider backing a point by doing the research and basing it on facts, the point is moot I guess.

And you totally took what I said about a generational difference out of context. There is no debate that there is a difference between generations and thats all that I was pointing out. The example I gave was just that a hypothetical example.

You would like to see change, correct? Well here is a bit of news for you, in order to achieve your goal you need to stop bashing the people. Take for example a family. The mother and father want their child to succeed in school. But when the child gets a bad grade, they obsess about it and berate him over and over. Do you think this encourages the child to do better? Absolutely not. I see it in my practice quite often. So, in turn, does berating all Americans and constanting telling them they are lazy over and over encourage them to do better? No for the most part it does not. So not only do the attitudes of the people in this country that are lazy have to change, but also the attitudes of people like you. What your doing is not helping.

And this all goes back to the point that we all spend too much time ourselves being lazy and pointing the fingers at others. We all need to own that we are a part of the problem and work towards a solution.

[Macht]

Originally posted by TheGrandMom
I see that your totally missing the point because your closing your mind. It does not good to even debate an issue with someone that can not concede that he lacks the experience to make such a blanket statement. Your 24, you say you have 16 years experience, that would make your experience from age 8+. You can not even make dispassionate observations until your an adult. I'll even be lenient here and say you can do this at age 16+, so now your "experience" is only 8 years. In 8 years, you could not accomplish what I stated by a long shot. But since you don't consider backing a point by doing the research and basing it on facts, the point is moot I guess.

And you totally took what I said about a generational difference out of context. There is no debate that there is a difference between generations and thats all that I was pointing out. The example I gave was just that a hypothetical example.

You would like to see change, correct? Well here is a bit of news for you, in order to achieve your goal you need to stop bashing the people. Take for example a family. The mother and father want their child to succeed in school. But when the child gets a bad grade, they obsess about it and berate him over and over. Do you think this encourages the child to do better? Absolutely not. I see it in my practice quite often. So, in turn, does berating all Americans and constanting telling them they are lazy over and over encourage them to do better? No for the most part it does not. So not only do the attitudes of the people in this country that are lazy have to change, but also the attitudes of people like you. What your doing is not helping.

And this all goes back to the point that we all spend too much time ourselves being lazy and pointing the fingers at others. We all need to own that we are a part of the problem and work towards a solution.

I am lazy I already know that. Everytime I'm putting a set of querries that take 30 min. - 1 hr. to process I'm checking this site or something else when I look at it I could very well be sorting out my work area or something else. Still if you want to go with bashing isn't the answer to change then why focus to hush what I'm stating and try make my views seem insignificant to your own?

You want me to provide proof on this but as far as it goes with cultures trying to provide proof that much of populous will be satified with is near impossible. The only evidance that really can be provided as proof is ones own experiences and as more people provide who have had experiences with other countries and such add to it do you get anything close to as being proof.

I can definatly go online grab the census and show you that the US's ratio is no comparison and various other things, but then I'd be (like I am now) trailing way off this topic which the admin on this board generally do not like.

I do not get were you got the idea I was trying to point fingers and state that it's someone elses fault. When I say Amercians I was including myself in that statement. The ever eternal trump card to try and win a discussion go and state the other person is "close minded", the only reason I continue to carry this on is because I'm not only providing my own experience but I'm trying to understand as well. So were is the "close minded" actions in that? As for bashing, you didn't provide any better difference to it.

How the heck are you expecting people to realize a flaw if you can't make it aware without getting titled as bashing?

Originally posted by TheGrandMom
I am not stating that America is no different. Quite the contrary, it would be an asinine statement to do so. Different countries = different cultures. Different cultures = different ways of defining things. Different ways of defining things = conflict. Who's to say one is right and the other is wrong? Japanese people tend to hold issues inside of them, while American people tend to express themselves. Which is correct? When someone states that one or the other is correct, what gives them that right? Why can't we all just accept one another with all our positives and negatives in tact? Or is the old adage "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence." true?

You get right and wrong by the majority consensious. That's were you that everyone agree's the sky is blue only because majority consensious says it is. Hell the name for the color itself was determined because of majority consensious.

Why do you think we no longer use the word "girl" (German for gurl, young male or female) to classify any male of female of young age? The word itself in Old English means a young male or female, so why did that word not remain that way? It because the majority consencious decided to change it.

The conflicts between cultures and even in debates is a neccessity in order to better rate and value the defenition of a word or action. A close-minded person would not willingly drag-on punishment to their view, they'd to find a way to end the discussion quickly with their view being right. Please don't confuse my frustrated feel of my own opinions not being heard as being close-minded.

I'm most likely going to be reading and re-reading this and what we said between eachother TheGrandMom to try and comprehend everything about it if I did indeed miss something. As an FYI:

close-mind·ed adj.
Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.

To simply write off my returned statements and stating that I just did not understanding your own is no better then being unreceptive to new ideas.

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Wow we definatly did say a lot, I'm curious though that whole time I never asked for your experience with other cultures or for your counter proof to my statements. You did give a lot philosophies but not really much that I can actually look for online or otherwise.

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Thought I'd pick away at this for more clairty to it.

Lazy: Resistant to work or exertion; disposed to idleness.

For extra clarifications we should also review exertion, disposed, and idleness.

ex·er·tion n.

The act or an instance of exerting, especially a strenuous effort.

This statement so far is saying that they have be really putting a lot of effort, not by any means a way to measure undevelopment. This means more along the lines the difference of a Honda Civic made in America and one made in Japan. A Japanese Honda Civic is definatly better, 3 of the 4 me and my brother has had agreed with that the 1 American made Civic we had broke down at 10,000 miles while 1 from the 3 group made it to 40,000 miles (before getting totalled some idiots racing on the street) the other 2 are barely 1 year and both have already passed the 10,000 mile mark and still not a single sign of any problems.


disposed

adj 1: having made preparations; "prepared to take risks" [syn: disposed(p), fain, inclined(p), prepared] 2: (usually followed by `to') naturally disposed toward; "he is apt to ignore matters he considers unimportant"; "I am not minded to answer any questions" [syn: apt(p), disposed(p), given(p), minded(p), tending(p)]

Idleness: To pass time without working or while avoiding work.

Even these are not clear enough indications of development or progress. If I was actually allowed to lay out my Mother's work and show all the staffers that went to a hospital and which refused or cancelled and include the reasons you'd see very clearly that if you bassed the american staffers a being normal and rating them 100% effeciency then the Canadians would easily be at 190%.

This isn't a 1 or 2 deal either, this is nearly 200 American people that could be staffed and about 50-100 Canadians well under the American number but easily working well over the number of American staffers that are able to work. That seems to fit the defenition extreemly well to me. It's funny to because if that 200 Amercian staffers were to actually work and get that 40 hrs. a week there wouldn't be a need to bring in Canadians.

Originally posted by TheGrandMom
I personally think that everyone is lazy to a degree. Certainly no one here can deny that. We all spend a good chunk of time on our computers playing FFXI or doing something else on them. If not the computer than a console or handheld system. Could that time be spent more productively? ABSOLUTELY! Should we all be labeled as lazy since we don't spend our time doing something else because of someone else's definition of lazy? Emphatically NO!

Don't confuse Lazy and Recreation. There is a defined difference between them.

rec·re·a·tion n.

Refreshment of one's mind or body after work through activity that amuses or stimulates; play.

Taking time to play a game or do something else is a necessity, but doing with the intended purpose of avoiding work is being lazy.

Originally posted by TheGrandMom
I've been around for sometime myself. LOL One thing that I know is stereotyping large groups of people is a very dangerous thing. It grows into things we all eventually regret and then we have to pick up the pieces and try to fix it. Sort of like whats going on in our society today. The statement "The majority of Americans that I know personally or have interacted with were lazy." is a much better way to put it.

I'm pretty sure that was the intended expression I was trying to relay. This sounds close to something I've already stated just a much more brief statement. Many of the Americans I know and have met online have expressed a lot of laziness or willingly admitted to being lazy and being proud of it, that I find to be horrible.

[Macht]

Originally posted by TheGrandMom
Your 24, you say you have 16 years experience, that would make your experience from age 8+. You can not even make dispassionate observations until your an adult.

Alright let me get this straight here, you're stating in this that a person between 8-16 can not make an unbias decission? Sounds to me like you are making a general statement about a large group of people, and you don't know me personally to make such a statement specific about me. As far as children's ability to make an unbias decision, depending on the complexity of the situation, it's been shown that children as young as 7 can make an accurate unbias decision of certain events around them. The ones they can't make accuratly when reviewing with their current unbias view they can make an accurate unbias decision of that past event. I'm guessing you'll want me to prove that, I'll see if I can find it online not sure what I'll search to find it the data when I got was from the discovery channel.

Originally posted by TheGrandMom
You would like to see change, correct? Well here is a bit of news for you, in order to achieve your goal you need to stop bashing the people. Take for example a family. The mother and father want their child to succeed in school. But when the child gets a bad grade, they obsess about it and berate him over and over. Do you think this encourages the child to do better? Absolutely not. I see it in my practice quite often. So, in turn, does berating all Americans and constanting telling them they are lazy over and over encourage them to do better? No for the most part it does not. So not only do the attitudes of the people in this country that are lazy have to change, but also the attitudes of people like you. What your doing is not helping.

And this all goes back to the point that we all spend too much time ourselves being lazy and pointing the fingers at others. We all need to own that we are a part of the problem and work towards a solution.

I do want to see change. I nagged my sister every time she did something wrong. She's improved quite a lot from it, even has some renouned professor that interviewed her. Don't remember the professor's name but we did see him again on a show that was on recently about a new possible theory called "String Theory" in an attempt to unionize Einstein's Theory of Gravity and Relitivity to Quantum Physics.

Also with your own senario, if you want to take it that type of extreeme then no the child won't improve. However that is a bit of an extreem senario definatly one that's likely to happen still. I see no reason though why a parent can't express their disapointment when it's obvious the child could do better, but of course they should also encourage them to do better.

So in the subject we veered off to how do you see of actually encouraging to do better? How do you see to enourage the populous to not be so lazy? As far as I know the only effective action against someone being lazy is to annoy them, kick them in the butt to get them going and doing what they know they should be doing if they are going to do it.

[Blood Red Poet]

I know who the murderer is!

[TheGrandMom]

I'm sorry but like I said before there is no sense in continuing this debate. I'm not going to pick apart your post as you did mine and point out the many flaws because you in return will just pick apart mine and skew it. So it's a effort in futility.

In time, you'll see the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying you'll agree but at least you'll understand.

I'm not going to delve into my personal life but I will tell you that I have a few degrees under my belt and plenty of experience in my field. I don't say the things I do lightly nor without knowledge of them. Berating someone over and over does not help in the majority of cases. If it did then there would be many more children getting perfect grades than there are and less coming to me (or at least when I was actively practicing). As far as dispassionate observations at a young age, the executive functions of the brain are not even fully developed until the age of 25, approx. So, yes, I would say at age 8 you can not fully grasp the concept of comparing different cultures and the socioeconmic implications that apply to this debate.

[Susurrus]

Originally posted by TheGrandMom
You know I really hate the spell Haste. I wish they would have never given it to whm's. >.< I get so many different views from different people on when and who to haste. So your in one pt doing your thing and then someone tells you contrary to what you are doing so you change it. Then you get a different pt the next day and your told something else. You basically have to conform to whatever the pt wants for each pt. It can be maddening.

I always haste the tank. Period. Thats a given. But then comes the grey void. If you have another member in the pt that can haste you share the duties right? WRONG. At least 80% of the pts I've been in, I am the sole haster. If another mage is asked to cast haste, they think its a one time deal. So there you are killing stuff thats doing massive status crap, curing people, casting regens, sometimes even casting enfeebles, and now add a couple more hastes to your program....YIPPEE!! Oh no, no problem, I'm not busy and I have an endless amount of MP!! >.<

Its really fun when your down to dribbles of mp left and someone is barking for a haste. Um....ya...riiiiiiiiiight. I have 22 mp, here let me pull that out of my...... It's 40 mp a cast people! 40 mp x 3 people is 120 mp! Thats a good chunk of change there! LOL

I apologize for the little off topic rant but this is one spell that vexes me.

Speaking on behalf of Red Mages since that's the only other job that can cast Haste. While, definately, some parties are set where few Refreshes are needed and the RDM should help Haste. But, keep in mind, the Red Mage is Refreshing (sometimes 5 people...RDM WHM BLM PLD DRK and Refresh takes 40 MP as well), Enfeebling, backup Curing, and nuking for MB's. When there's a Ninja tank, WHM doesn't have a lot of healing to worry about (at least if the NIN tank is good), that it should be no problem to keep 3 or 4 people Hasted. I've played RDM to 75 and WHM to 66 so I know both jobs from experience.

[TheGrandMom]

I've lvled rdm also. I know when its feasible for a rdm to cast Haste and when its not. I used to cast Haste in between my refreshes. Most of the time I ask the rdms in my pt's to cast one Haste. Many can't even do that. For some reason, on my server, there are just a large % of rdm's that don't take the time to learn how to play the job right.

[Frumply]

i don't know if this is an arcane concept, but...

1) Have the leader kick the bot. If you're the leader, kick the bot.

2) State you'll be leaving the party if the bot stays. Follow up on your actions. Avoid invites from the same leader in the future. Make sure friends, families and loved ones do the same.

The so-called 'endgame' is not much more than campouts for boring bosses (I've done them a few times, and I can't say that I see any real excitement for them past the first few times except for the people wanting super game items); ballista is arguably more balanced @ 60 than 75 (75 ballista ends up being a 'oh i'll rape you with this club of asskicking' type showoff contest for the most part. lag kills the experience in either case however); other than that you're left to hound for cash in various ways, maybe do ENMs and such, all of which don't necessitate a capped player. i.e., it's not worth forcing a grinding leveling session with a bot if you find it exceedingly unpleasant.

Of course opinions vary, and if you'd rather try and get 'to the top' so to speak (though there are thousands of people already there) as quick as possible, knock yourself out.

[cloudedge]

Originally posted by TheGrandMom
I've lvled rdm also. I know when its feasible for a rdm to cast Haste and when its not. I used to cast Haste in between my refreshes. Most of the time I ask the rdms in my pt's to cast one Haste. Many can't even do that. For some reason, on my server, there are just a large % of rdm's that don't take the time to learn how to play the job right.

Lol~ i consider myself lucky when I get a rdm that can do refresh and dispell on time... I won't even push my luck to wish they can keep up with haste.

Although a good nin tank or even a good pld tank can keep himself cured pretty well w/o too much curing from the whm... i'd agree that there shouldn't be too much problem with keeping haste up (even when u have to deal with status healing).. however this is coming from a brd who would dump her mp on cure/erase after she finish her songs to help curing... so it does depends on the PT setup and whether u have support healer or not :p

[Aliria]

I dont think i ever encountered a bot yet and hopefully never will:sweat:

Also I will take in mind all you people say about the refresh and haste thing. I stive to be the best RDM out there!!! YAY

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by cloudedge
Lol~ i consider myself lucky when I get a rdm that can do refresh and dispell on time... I won't even push my luck to wish they can keep up with haste.

Although a good nin tank or even a good pld tank can keep himself cured pretty well w/o too much curing from the whm... i'd agree that there shouldn't be too much problem with keeping haste up (even when u have to deal with status healing).. however this is coming from a brd who would dump her mp on cure/erase after she finish her songs to help curing... so it does depends on the PT setup and whether u have support healer or not :p

Well I know I have the crappiest luck and it sure shows with the pts I get. Plds that rarely heal because "your doing such a good job!" Plds that never rest even during downtime (then why did you buy a dark staff??)! Rdms that don't keep the refresh chain going and just do it at the end of a fight....even had ones that waited until I was entirely out of mp before casting it. Rdms that will cast debuffs once and when asked to do it again because it wore off they say "thats just a waste of mp". Rdms that drop their entire tank of mp on one fight. Rdms and blms that see I have no mp to heal but just keep doing their thing and not healing anyone so people die. (And yes I post to pt chat that I'm out of mp.) etc. etc. etc.

I know one of my problems is I accept any and all invites. I've absolutely known some pt's were going to fail before we even started fighting! LOL