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    I know there have been screenshots going around of people defeating Vrtra and people saying that they are fake in disbelief, although by now everyone knows they were all true.

    I got to watch a JP LS fight Vrtra and it took less then 2 hours and they had less then 40 people. I have to say the actual fight is so much easier then the other Wyrms if you can handle the adds. This was their first win vs Vrtra and it was a very smooth fight.

    They had the same setup as the usual Wyrm for main alliance except the BLMs seemed to be more focused on killing the POPs and the 3 SMN were the ones doing constant damage, SMN do damage like on Faf/Nid because Vrtra doesn't fly.

    They had a full second alliance for adds with atleast 6 monks and held Vrtra in a corner so the whole area was basically AOE free except a small radius at at the far east corner.

    The SMN Spinning Dive (3x) took it down 3-5% at a time and the fight itself was very fast, the 2hr is only Charm it seems even though some people said it can Chainspell and Astral Flow. The Charm is the easiest 2hour to handle because it charms one of the tanks and you just sleep him, the only downside is that the tank looses all his accumlated hate (I assume, I never really knew how Charm effects you, but I am pretty sure it sets your hate to same as Vrtra and then resets when you Un-Charm). They had 4 tanks total, 2 PLD/NIN 2 NIN because with and it seemed the same person got charmed over and over.

    The spawns which occur non-stop seemed easy to handle because the BLMs were able to take them out before they even had a chance to move.

    I am not completely sure how they handled the AOE sleep, but I am assuming what they did was have an out of alliance WHM cure a in-alliance WHM and then that one casts Curaga. Vrtra does not do TP moves often if all you use is SMN for damage so the AOE sleep rarely occured, and I don't think I saw any breath attacks or I might have missed it if he has them. Overall the fight is easy if you handle the adds.

    Now with this information givem, I want to see some NAs take down Vrtra!^^ Hopefully my LS will try it in the near future.

    Also, if anyone hasn't noticed now that Utsusemi has been un-nerfed (If it was intentional). It makes tanking Wyrms so much easier since most death occur when they land (Except Vrtra), also I noticed when fighting Tiamat that he has a delay before attacking now once he does his Mighty Stikes, and this delay is enough to cast Utsusemi twice almost. I tanked Tiamat without dying at all (We didn't end up killing it because someone CFH by mistake), while before when we tried I died atleast 3 times 100%-10%, so with blink being more potent it is way easier to take Wyrms down.
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    We're almost there. We've basically come to the same stradegy after doing a lot of experimenting and losing a lot of xp The only thing we haven't tried yet is pld/nin instead of pld/war but we've been discussing that as well. The real key to this fight is having enough blm to handle those summons. As I'm sure you saw, he summons them quite fast. Melee just aren't effective on them at all, blm are really essential to taking them down fast enough. If we can get enough blms on our next attempt, I'm pretty sure we can win.

    By the way, I believe another NA group has already defeated Vrtra on Phoenix server. I don't know too many details or if they were all NA though.

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    • #3
      The LS that took down Vrtra was called Feather and they are not an NA LS. Btw Shair Manteel is now in the AH database in Jeuno.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Izual
        We're almost there. We've basically come to the same stradegy after doing a lot of experimenting and losing a lot of xp The only thing we haven't tried yet is pld/nin instead of pld/war but we've been discussing that as well. The real key to this fight is having enough blm to handle those summons. As I'm sure you saw, he summons them quite fast. Melee just aren't effective on them at all, blm are really essential to taking them down fast enough. If we can get enough blms on our next attempt, I'm pretty sure we can win.

        By the way, I believe another NA group has already defeated Vrtra on Phoenix server. I don't know too many details or if they were all NA though.
        The reason these people use PLD/NIN cause the leader is PLD lol, They even use it on Tiamat. I tank on my NIN fine.. A NIN with the HQ arhat and atleast +15 enmity will do fine as long as the base damage is SMN. For white mages just have 3.. 2 in main alliance then rotate them to reset hate.

        And umm.. I heard the NA thing before too, but either it was a lie was the LS had some NA, but no complete NA LS have done it.

        At the latent HP Vrtra starts summong 2x faster, but if you have 12 BLM like they did, it didn't even effect them.

        Just I have to say from the looks of it, Vrtra can be called the easiest because if you have the right jobs, it really is the easiest.

        And by my own opinion, I don't think anyone can out tank NIN on these, PLD are good if you have a lot of SAM/DRK/DRG, but on Hades there arn't a lot of these so I guess that is out of the question.
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        • #5
          I've also seen Vrtra killed on our server, huge JP LS. from what i seen they have an alliance of blms, and all they do is nuke the hell out of skeletons/ghosts/hounds. They were doing it with kiting, so basically there's very few AoEs, they have it run in circles and at one point, all the drks/blms would stun vrtra so it would stop moving and all the smns would unleash spining dives on it, took them bout 3 hours to kill it with this strat, Vtrat goes chainspell when he's low on HP and just spam displegas from what i remembered.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dano
            I've also seen Vrtra killed on our server, huge JP LS. from what i seen they have an alliance of blms, and all they do is nuke the hell out of skeletons/ghosts/hounds. They were doing it with kiting, so basically there's very few AoEs, they have it run in circles and at one point, all the drks/blms would stun vrtra so it would stop moving and all the smns would unleash spining dives on it, took them bout 3 hours to kill it with this strat, Vtrat goes chainspell when he's low on HP and just spam displegas from what i remembered.
            Are you sure? The only special he used when I watched was Charm.
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            • #7
              I certainly wouldn't say Vrtra is the easiet even with the right classes. We farm Tiamat now since no other ls on the server really touches him, usually takes about 2 hours with ~25 people, and virtually 0 deaths. Definitely can't say that about Vrtra, even with the right classes he is still quite a challenge.

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              • #8
                You don't need HQ arhat's to tank the dragons.

                And judging how uselessly inept SoC were in fighting Tiamat & Jorumgand, I have no doubts when I say that they didn't create the strat.

                I know that when there was that 80 person vs Vrtra thing when hades was first launched (mass zerg for the win), the SoC rangers didn't do much damage at all, and instead pussied out holding back on aggro.

                They may have have carried out the strat well, but that doesn't mean much. It'd be possible to train anyone how to fight any of the HNMs in ffxi. The difficult part is actually creating a strat.

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                • #9
                  I saw ls beated him and they keep goin doin vtra all the time

                  Anyway what i saw 4 smn was the damage dealers
                  Looks like there was too many healers outside alliance same goes With blms [like 10~ blms deal with what he summon] melee was Attacking the pops~ [not what he summon]

                  The funny thing looks like at the main alliance attacking vtra there Is 5smn+rdm pt plds pt and stun+ enfeble pt

                  Every 30sec~ Vtra is like 15sec~ stuned [there fuckin stuners rdm/drk] >.>
                  There should be other ways to beat him but the ls i saw that killd Him fighted him that way

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                  • #10
                    The main reason why PLD/NIN and NIN tanks worked so well is because they used SMN as their mani damage source (SMN Blood Pacts = little to no hate).

                    We fight Tiamat and Jormungand using a Skillchain + BLM Magic Burst tactic, which results in lots of hate problems, even with PLD/WAR tanks.

                    Unfortunately there are VERY few high level SMN on Seraph that belong to HNMLS, so we really can't use a SMN Damage strategy.

                    I've also been told that there is a limit to how many monsters Vrtra can summon (I think 6 total, or maybe 6 of each mob type for 18 total) so it would be possible to bring all the summons out, have a large group of bards sleep them in a corner, and then have a Fafnir-like alliance take out Vrtra rather quickly. I do not know for certain if there is a limit to how many monsters he/she can summon.

                    I'm also interested in how a kiting strategy could possibly work without killing large amounts of people from spike flails?

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                    • #11
                      I am 99.9% sure, that it doesn't have a limit.

                      I take not much dmg from Wyrms 40% dmg reduction helps, I take as much as a PLD pretty much. NIN/WAR owns PLD/NIN in tanking because you get more controls over your hate. Tanking without Provoke can be a problem since the BLMs and WHMs and especially BRDs grab so much hate. The only exception is a PLD/NIN using the Vrtra helm... I am pretty sure next Vrtra that will be fought on hades will be tanked fully by PLD/NIN with the 100 provokes helmet, because it does make life easier and it does overpower PLD for Wyrms.
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                      • #12
                        revilers helm is 30 charges 10 min reuse doesnt exactly make pld/nin that much better.

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                        • #13
                          we dont use ninjas but paladins tank wyrms well -- the ability to heal urself is key, takes burden off whm and makes up a large amount of ur hate holding capability. early on in attempts we used blink tanks and they died pretty quick.

                          not dissing but u have obvious bias in that u are ninja. :spin: paladins can tank this stuff fine with or without the blink "bug" created in teh game after last patch... if ninjas can too thats great. just think that 'ninjas own paladins on these' is a bit of an exaggeration.

                          as for a cap on summons, i cant say for sure but seems like we had more than 6 out at once on a fail. and u cant just take them somewhere and sleep them lol their hate is tied to vrtra... basically they will stay on or near the tanks at all times.

                          and yes the challenging part is creating the strat for this stuff... jps on our server kite tiamat and we do not for example. then ppl show up to spy for strat heh... always think it abit strange that they dont figure out their own style, i think the fun is figuring it out to begin with.

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                          • #14
                            also dunno why have plds sub nin for vrtra, summons + vrtra hitting you = goodbye blink anyway... even if only smn's doing dmg u still need to get healed. plus cant really hold hate for sh1t without voke. summoned mobs dont hit that hard anyways ;o

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stanislav
                              I am 99.9% sure, that it doesn't have a limit.

                              I take not much dmg from Wyrms 40% dmg reduction helps, I take as much as a PLD pretty much. NIN/WAR owns PLD/NIN in tanking because you get more controls over your hate. Tanking without Provoke can be a problem since the BLMs and WHMs and especially BRDs grab so much hate. The only exception is a PLD/NIN using the Vrtra helm... I am pretty sure next Vrtra that will be fought on hades will be tanked fully by PLD/NIN with the 100 provokes helmet, because it does make life easier and it does overpower PLD for Wyrms.
                              I find myself taking less damage then paladins on pretty much everything with -40% dmg taken from arhats. I also keep up in hate with Paladin/War when i spam ninjutsu debuffs o.o Paladin are stilll awesome cause they can get hate fast after Horrid roar tho. PLD also have about 200 more hp then nin so can take a extra hit.

                              We tried PLD/NIN last tiamat and i pretty much solo tanked it whole time cause nobody could keep up in hate.

                              When my LS tried vrtra we couldnt deal with the SMN's and we wiped pretty fast.

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