Vrtra

[nsxtasy]

pld/nin or nin/pld for that matter, are there for a very specific reason. That reason is most definately NOT as a hate holding tank. They are worthless if used otherwise.

[Twolves]

Originally posted by nsxtasy
pld/nin or nin/pld for that matter, are there for a very specific reason. That reason is most definately NOT as a hate holding tank. They are worthless if used otherwise.

Why would NIN sub pld for any reason at all?

[nsxtasy]

Cover.

[Spazmatic]

Originally posted by nsxtasy
pld/nin or nin/pld for that matter, are there for a very specific reason. That reason is most definately NOT as a hate holding tank. They are worthless if used otherwise.

Nin/pld is a joke, why have a nin sub pld when they can sub war and tank the whole fight. My last tiamat fight our ninja died one time and that was b/c a smn left his avatar on him waking him up. Id like to see a pld do that..... going a whole tiamat fight only dieing one time.

[nsxtasy]

Fight it whichever way you see fit.

My LS has beaten both Jorgy and Tiamat w/ PLD tanks.

Like I said. pld/nin or nin/pld serves a very specific purpose. Call it a joke if you want. But it does work for that specific application.

[Spazmatic]

Originally posted by nsxtasy
Fight it whichever way you see fit.

My LS has beaten both Jorgy and Tiamat w/ PLD tanks.

Like I said. pld/nin or nin/pld serves a very specific purpose. Call it a joke if you want. But it does work for that specific application.

How many times your plds die at tiamat?

[nsxtasy]

When or where did I argue whether Pld or Nin strategy was better?

I simply stated its useful for a specific circumstance. Other than that circumstance its not.

Why are you so motivated to provoke an arguement? I havn't provided any information that is incorrect.

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

[Spazmatic]

Originally posted by nsxtasy
When or where did I argue whether Pld or Nin strategy was better?

I simply stated its useful for a specific circumstance. Other than that circumstance its not.

Why are you so motivated to provoke an arguement? I havn't provided any information that is incorrect.

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

I simply asked a questing, stateing how many times did your plds die? And by this response im taking that as they died alot lol.

I can care less about provokeing a arguement over the internet, I was just simple stateing that why would a nin sub pld when they could sub war and take the damn thing themselfs, my guess would be either a) the ninja sucks or b) poor thought process.

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by hammy
we dont use ninjas but paladins tank wyrms well -- the ability to heal urself is key, takes burden off whm and makes up a large amount of ur hate holding capability. early on in attempts we used blink tanks and they died pretty quick.

not dissing but u have obvious bias in that u are ninja. :spin: paladins can tank this stuff fine with or without the blink "bug" created in teh game after last patch... if ninjas can too thats great. just think that 'ninjas own paladins on these' is a bit of an exaggeration.

as for a cap on summons, i cant say for sure but seems like we had more than 6 out at once on a fail. and u cant just take them somewhere and sleep them lol their hate is tied to vrtra... basically they will stay on or near the tanks at all times.

and yes the challenging part is creating the strat for this stuff... jps on our server kite tiamat and we do not for example. then ppl show up to spy for strat heh... always think it abit strange that they dont figure out their own style, i think the fun is figuring it out to begin with.

I don't have a bias cause i am NIN, i am leveling PLD next and knwo their power... We have tried it with a PLD/NIN tank and with NIN and in the end if came out better. PLD/WAR works too probably but we are so used to using NIN to tank it we don't really want to change the strat.

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by RangerDade
revilers helm is 30 charges 10 min reuse doesnt exactly make pld/nin that much better.

Its 100 uses and I am pretty sure its 30 sec recharge..

---- EDIT ---

Its 5min recast..

Still thats nice hate added every 5min compared to nothing.

[nsxtasy]

They died sure, but not really that much. Only towards the end when they start hitting for 800 a hit w/ Mighty Strikes did things get sketchy. By that time we had long abandoned trying to cover due to positioning for cover not working w/ how often Tiamat used its breath attacks.

On Jorgy however, Pld/Nin worked perfectly and negated his Blood Weapon every time.

Why not go Nin/war? Pld just held hate better for us. So we went w/ it. The strategies we used worked for us. Which was the whole point. Used properly in specific situations, stuff like pld/nin and nin/pld can serve a viable purpose. Which they did vs. Jorgy, moreso than Tiamat admittedly.

[Fire]

We had 1 death last tiamat we killed. It was a pld but oh well, thats why we have 2 plds in alliance. Untill I've seen a Nin/war hold aggro off of DRK/thf the way we fight I'm inclined to say pld>nin in our case.

[Corrado]

Way we fought was having, get this, a pld/war and a nin/war working together to tank it!

What a novel idea!

Instead of bitching about which one is better, use them both to the best of their ability.

[Fire]

bitching is more fun ;3

[Spazmatic]

Originally posted by nsxtasy
They died sure, but not really that much. Only towards the end when they start hitting for 800 a hit w/ Mighty Strikes did things get sketchy. By that time we had long abandoned trying to cover due to positioning for cover not working w/ how often Tiamat used its breath attacks.

On Jorgy however, Pld/Nin worked perfectly and negated his Blood Weapon every time.

Why not go Nin/war? Pld just held hate better for us. So we went w/ it. The strategies we used worked for us. Which was the whole point. Used properly in specific situations, stuff like pld/nin and nin/pld can serve a viable purpose. Which they did vs. Jorgy, moreso than Tiamat admittedly.

Pld/war can do jorm fine b/c he is so weak, once you find a good way to deal with the adds (train or blm army) jorm is so easy its not even funny.

Also did you try to ninja tank either of them, and if you did what gear did they use, i see alot of NA ninja's useing retarded gear on things like CoP dragons, they use the same gear to tank tiamat as they will serket or some weak shit like that, so of course they cant hold hate and die. You need different gear for these mobs.

I have fought the dragons with both ninja and pld tanks and the only advantage of pld tank is they can get hate back a little faster after roar which resets your hate. Pld tankning jorm isnt so bad because the hardest ive ever seen him hit a tank was for 333 and that was with bloodweapon and while he was at like 2% hp. Ive seen tiamat hit plds in full keonig and defending ring for over 700 at the 5% mark and he also double attacks almost every attack at the end.