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    BCNM attempt proposal:

    Looks like we'll have our first attempt of our LS to tackle the BCNM!! Here is my proposal on our fight from my readings of the fighting reports. If anybody has any opinions on different strategies, or if anybody has fought them before and has any other advices, please post

    Sheila - if possible, please email this to the Japanese members of the fight to get their opinions/advices, thanks.

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    We are hoping to get the Monk weapon from this fight, so we have decided to fight the Giddeus 99 BCNM, since this is the place for it to drop, it seems. There will be 6 Yagudos to fight in this battle. They are:

    Yoo Mihi the Haze - Ninja
    Aa Nawu the Thunderblade - Samurai
    Gii Jaha the Raucous - Bard
    Cuu Doko the Blizzard - White Mage
    Voo Tolu the Ghostfist - Monk
    Zuu Xowu the Darksmoke - Black Mage

    Before fighting, we should make the following preparations. This is our team (not totally final yet)

    1. White / Black - get 5 Yagudo Drinks, 3 High Ethers
    2. Black / White - get 5 Yagudo Drinks, 3 High Ethers, 1 Reraise Conquest Scroll
    3. Bard / White - get 10 High Potions, 1 Reraise Conquest Scroll
    4. Monk / Dark Knight - get 10 High Potions, 1 Reraise Conquest Scroll. Should use Claws
    5. Warrior / ? - get 10 High Potions, 1 Reraise Conquest Scroll. Should use 1 handed axe.
    6. Paladin / Warrior - get 10 High Potions, 1 Rerasie Conquest Scroll. Should use 1 handed sword and wear Shield.

    Plus any extra food you would like to eat for the battle.

    This is our strategy proposal.


    When we enter the Burning Circle:

    - Everybody use their Reraise Conquest Scroll (White mage uses Reraise2)

    - Everybody eat their favorite food.

    - White Mage casts Pro3/Shell3. Bard sings Ballad1/Ballad2

    - Walk up the path until you can see the Yagudos, while not having them aggro. (Cast Invisi if not certain)

    - Identify the Yagudos and which job they are. We will fight them in the following sequence: Black Mage > White Mage > Bard > Samurai > Ninja > Monk.


    Starting the battle:

    - When starting the fight, the objective is to gather all the enemies together (So that we can get them all to sleep). There are 3 methods: Warrior's "War Cry", Monk (Dark Knight Sub)'s Poisonga, and Paladin's "Invincible".

    - Therefore, once we targeted the Black Mage and started the fighting mode, run up to the black mage Yagudo. Here is what each member should do at this time:
    = Warrior - Use War Cry to try to get the Yagudo's attention. Taunt any Yagudos if they turn to the Mages/Bard.
    = Paladin - if War Cry was not successful, use Invincible. Taunt any Yagudos if they turn to the Mages/Bard.
    = Monk - Use 2 hour skill "100 Fists". Try to kill the black mage as fast as possible.
    = White Mage - Use Black Sign + Silence on the White Mage. Then Cure, with emphasis on the Bard especially if lullaby wears out.
    = Black Mage - Use Black Sign + Silence on the Black Mage. Then use Sleep2/Sleep on any Yagudos resisted Lullaby or out of Lullaby's range. Do not use attack Magic until the Yagudo has only 1/3 of its HP left. Then go ahead (Yagudo's weakness is ice).
    = Bard - Use Sould Voice + Group Lullaby after War Cry or Invincible gathered the Yagudos. Use the single target Lullaby to any Yagudo that was out of range or resisted. Then Sing Ballad2/Pian4 (Avoiding Bard Yagudo to use its own Lullaby)

    - Notice that the White Mage Yagudo *WILL NOT SLEEP* (because white mage has auto-regen). Do not repeatedly try to make it sleep. Try to silence it if possible.

    - The Renkei will be "Sky Fist" (Monk, claw ws 200) > "Rampage" (Warrior, 1h axe ws 175)
    (Note - Is "Sky Fist" > "Calamity" (1h axe ws 200) more powerful?)

    - If any Yagudo awakes from sleep, make them sleep again!

    - The priority when curing is to the mages, especially the bard (Because of the lullaby hate). Fighters, please use High Potions if you feel you're in danger of dying.

    - if the Black Mage Yagudo started to cast magic again, remember to use silence!


    After the Black Mage dies, turn your attention to the White Mage:

    - After the fight starts, try to drag the White Mage to the path leading to the main fighting area. This is because just in case we all die, the Yagudos will return to the main area leaving the PT. That way we can revive, rest, and go again.

    - Basically, the strategy is the same as Black Mage.

    - Remember to keep an eye on the rest of the Yagudos, if they awakened or started to cast magic, use sleep/lullaby/silence according.


    After the White Mage dies, turn the attention to the Bard:

    - Bard - Make sure Pian remains before it wears off.


    After the Bard dies, attack the Samurai, and then the Ninja:

    - Since not much info about the two Yagudos, be careful. Not known whether they have "2 hour skill" attacks.


    Finally, we attack the Monk:

    - The only thing to keep in mind, is that, when the Yagudo does its "100 fists" attack, everybody runs away, and let the bard use lullaby to make it to sleep and wait for it to wear out.

  • #2
    good luck
    hope ceis gets his monk claws
    Nadyxes
    lvl 75 whm/ 37 blm/ 26 thf/ 65 rdm/ 26 war/ 56 mnk/anon bst/ 15 brd/ 5 rng/ 9 pld/ drk N/A (to lazy to do quest)/ 37 SMN/ 1 sam/ 2 nin/ 5 drg

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    • #3
      FYI, Yagudos use Stunt Attack (range) too so you better be very careful. And for the "Favourite food" part, try eat "Uminosachi kushiyaki" (ŠC‚Ì?K‹ø?Ä‚« PDEF+24% MDEF+24%).

      Everyone should make macro : /item ƒnƒCƒ|?[ƒVƒ‡ƒ“?@<me>?@for fast recovery. For Bard, I am afraid 10 High potions won't be enough. And the sub should be either PLD or WAR if possible coz Monk and Samurai Yagudos' attack power isnt funny.

      And when you start fighting BLM Yagudo, I suggest Mages cast Silence on the BLM not the WHM coz BLM might prolly keep using XXXXGAII or III when 2hr ability is activated.

      Safest way is, mages cast Silence on BLM > Monk uses 2hr ability > Defeat BLM, Target WHM > WAR uses Mighty Strike (2hr ability) + Backstab + Deceive Attack in Renkei > Kill WHM > ?E?E?E?E?E?E

      This is the way my party used to defeat Yagudos. Hope it will be useful for your challenge.

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      • #4
        I'm scared mommy!

        lol these fights look more expensive than the drop!

        I've forwarded it to our WAR. He can sub monk or thf (or bst lol).

        Edwin can't read email right now so I'll try to send it some other way.

        Calamity seems to have less accuracy than Rampage (from my observation).

        edit:
        Edwin says we shouldn't need conquest scrolls (?)

        Poisonga, Bio, Dia = NO plz. Using spells like that wont let the monsters sleep, the status immediately wakes them back up (same for other status spells like rasp/burn/drown etc).
        RageOfDark & Rinoa.Nu

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        • #5
          Conquest scrolls is for if this. If any mages die when there are still too many yagudos to fight, everybody should go ahead and die and let the Yagudos back to the original spots.

          Reraise scrolls is only to save time so that the mages don't need to raise everybody, rest for MP, and wait for the "weak" period to be over. Maybe not everybody need to have the reraise scrolls, but IMO at least the mages/bard should have them.

          As for the Poisonga from dark sub, I'm suggesting that only because as a DRK sub, they will be resisted anyway No for white/black mages, of couse.

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          • #6
            hey ya never know :D

            My DRK sub as MONK still gets poison success on totetote+++
            Might be cause I have the skill maxed from playing BLM but eh D:
            RageOfDark & Rinoa.Nu

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            • #7
              This BCNM requires 99 to enter once, so if you didn't get the item you wanted (say that monk item) you would have to wait for another 99??


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Saiyu
                This BCNM requires 99 to enter once, so if you didn't get the item you wanted (say that monk item) you would have to wait for another 99??
                Yup. Same goes for if you lose the battle

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                • #9
                  OK. We all died More later...

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                  • #10
                    ok....tough luck :mad:

                    If you do it again, good luck


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                    • #11
                      Hell need 2 paladins next time.

                      And not hi potions, elixirs for the bard!
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                      • #12
                        Damn what happened to the battle? Could you tell us more about it? I will like to help out next time if you want. Just get me like 15-20 Hi-potions

                        >Sheila
                        Only one PLD is enough or you gonna end up time over because insufficient attack power...

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                        • #13
                          The main problem was all the yagudos waking up often from lullaby. I put everything I can to sleep everytime possible, but everytime something woke up (which usually was instant) Far would get aggroed to hell from lullaby and monsters would start straying about.

                          I think he needs more stronger items so that both mages can focus on cure/sleep spells rather than non stop trying keeping him alive. Hipotions did nothing.. he was chucking them like crazy and I had to join in curing him with whm.
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                          • #14
                            Well.... I have to admit that wasn't my best performance as a bard. Haven't fought in a very hard fight in a while. Basically, all but one Yagudo ganged up on me when lullaby's effect went out and I didn't re-sing on time before I died

                            I'm so sorry to everybody who was in the fight. I was prepared to die myself, but everybody died... Most of us (only Gackt fought before I think) are first time fighting BCNM, so this was a great learning experience IMO. At least we know what to expect from now on.

                            Matek - if you can help, that would be great It would be great to have some one who is experienced to make sure we're doing the right things. (I still have like 25 more items to go though, lol)

                            Here is my new proposal on what changes we should make I want revenge!!

                            1. Make sure everybody had the damage written "on screen only" and not on your message log. (Options -> Others -> "On screen only") That was my major error because I couldn't tell when the Yagudos came back awake. (Message log scrolling too fast)

                            2. Only fight in the passage leading to the Yagudos. So the start of the fight should go as follow:

                            - Go up to the area where you can see the BLM yagudo and while not getting aggroed.
                            - Black mage uses "black sign + silence" to "fish" the BLM yagudo (the other ones will link)
                            - Everybody run back to the original entrance.
                            - Paladin uses "Invincible" in the middle of the passage. (Getting all Yagudo's attention)
                            - Monk uses "100 fists" to the BLM.

                            This way, even if the Bard dies, everybody dies follow suit. And then the Yagudos will go back to the original area After that we can activate reraise and recharge...

                            3. Either the warrior or the paladin should sub white. (White sign+) curega would be an absolute hate generater, overriding the hate of lullaby.

                            4. The order of the sequence we fight should be changed. Seems like the BRD yagudo only does stupid songs so it's not a threat at all. I'd make the sequence the following instead:

                            Black > White > Samurai > Ninja > Monk > Bard

                            (Unless someone experienced the Bard singing "Pian"? Then maybe we'll make Bard #3 again)

                            5. We can use the item "reraiser" (about 5000 gil each?) instead of the Reraise conquest scroll? And use it only when you think you're going to die for sure

                            Maybe I'm self-centered about this fight But I think the key of this fight is to keep the Bard alive

                            This is all I think of for now. Any ideas are welcome

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                            • #15
                              Anyone got a good stretegy for the 40 BCNM at giddeous? I really want refresh from it..... (got defeated twice already ><)
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                              but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence
                              transform a yellow spot into the sun.

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