Liches....

[peacemaker]

Originally posted by exile2k3


No, they DONT link. Its not a question of if they are killed quickly, or the level you are with, they just don't link. Go deep into Eldieme and poison a Tomb Warrior in a group of bones. As long as you arent in the yellow, or close enough for them to hear you, the others will not come!

Which part of "Sure they don't link" did you not understand? Or do you just enjoy repeating yourself and everyone else? That's not the point here, the point being you new players leeching off high level players to get ahead have no right to comment on people trying to get things done the proper way.

[Aldo]

err, i know if they're raku/EP above they will aggro you, but what i inferred by your subbing summoner was to summon pets to pull them, ppl do that to avoid multiple monsters from linking, so your not getting aggro the pet is, the summoner can have sneak on them and it will be fine. i just mean if you attack from afar and theres many bones they won't link.

[Rekiem]

Originally posted by peacemaker


That's not the point here, the point being you new players leeching off high level players to get ahead have no right to comment on people trying to get things done the proper way.

Personally, Im really happy that some people are willing to help new players with quests like this one. Its help them progress in the game and have some fun instead of getting stuck at those keypoint for days. Those quests are boring, depressing, annoying and just plain not fun. If it bothers you that people are doing this, then just don't help them and quit preaching your "proper ways".

[Thark601]

not really i found it rather enjoyable... i mean rather than xp'ing off the same mobs over and over again i kinda enjoyed heading to garliage, passing the banishing gate, and nearly have'ing our whole pt get whiped before makeing it to the bombs..

it's exciting, and a break from everyday play....

and my favorite is that the only ppl that are terribly concerned about it are the ppl playing to get to 75 asap

[Condor85]

guys... here is the reason summoner works good...


since lvl 50's get agroed by skeletons... i can't get close enough to the liches in order to pull some of them...

like the ones WAYYYYY far back in the back.....

whm/rdm casts sneak on me, i summon carbuncle... i run around, find a lich.... sure, millions of skeletons next to me... but carbuncle doesn't allow me to loose sneak, which lets me pull form VERY far away.

before when i was pulling with sneak on... instant i would attack.. sneak would go away, and all the other mummy's and Ka's and tomb wolves would "hear me" and nuke my party.


sure, it seems like a bad sub (i normally use whm)... but for liches... it works like a charm

non-stop pulls.. no fighting any other monsters.... easy as cake

[Rekiem]

Just cast "Cure" on it. You will be able to pull it without getting linked by any monsters. Always pull Skeleton using Cure.

[Celeras]

Originally posted by Condor85
guys... here is the reason summoner works good...


since lvl 50's get agroed by skeletons... i can't get close enough to the liches in order to pull some of them...

like the ones WAYYYYY far back in the back.....

whm/rdm casts sneak on me, i summon carbuncle... i run around, find a lich.... sure, millions of skeletons next to me... but carbuncle doesn't allow me to loose sneak, which lets me pull form VERY far away.

before when i was pulling with sneak on... instant i would attack.. sneak would go away, and all the other mummy's and Ka's and tomb wolves would "hear me" and nuke my party.


sure, it seems like a bad sub (i normally use whm)... but for liches... it works like a charm

non-stop pulls.. no fighting any other monsters.... easy as cake

They are bones... pull using CURE. Subbing smn is moronic, it makes your party lose a perfectly good healer.

[edit] Beat me by .002 seconds, rekiem :p

[Condor85]

Guys, I know perfectly well about the "pull with cure" stuff... but as soon as you cast cure... your sneak goes away...


what do you do then? on the way back mummy's and wolves will aggro you....




with summoner sub that is not a problem... all the times i went i made sure we had a RDM or WHM plus an additional backup healer along with PLD.

the liches are INSANELY easy to kill... if you have trouble... then well.... ya, quit the game now :sweat:



the whole point of subing summoner while lich hunting is so i can pull liches from anywhere... not having to wait for other liches nearby to spawn... i can go halfway accross the freakin map to pull a lich.

[Celeras]

Originally posted by Condor85
the whole point of subing summoner while lich hunting is so i can pull liches from anywhere... not having to wait for other liches nearby to spawn... i can go halfway accross the freakin map to pull a lich.

If you do that, then you are stupider then we are giving you credit for. There are maybe 3 spots in eldieme that pop liches, and they're nowhere near eachother. Pick a spot, camp it outside, and pull with cure from there. Pop time is 8 minutes, takes you a minute or so to kill each at BEST, 2-4 pop depending where you are. Factor in rest and pull time and you're what, waiting a whole 2 minutes for next pop? You'd rather run across the map and risk sneak running out on the way back? No offense, but thats more trouble then 2 minutes is worth.

And keep saying liches are so easy, cant wait till your tank gets hit with Quake, followed immediately by AerogaII.... all because you're /smn, and cant silence the damn thing.

[Deedlit]

Heh, now to explain to all of the veteren players why you pull with Carbuncle as opposed to cure (at least in the case of pesky liches in Eldeime):

Case 1: Our BRD pulls with cure. He is sneaked, because he does not want to agro the nearby tomb wolf. He casts cure on the lich, turn to run and....BAM AGRO.

Why?

Because the lich casted on him. Don't remember the spell - it wasn't anything all that major though. Maybe something like bio. But GUESS WHAT? He loses sneak because he got smacked by a spell! And the tomb wolf agros!

Case 2: I pull with Carbuncle. Sic carbuncle on the mob, and laugh hysterically as the lich begins casting Tornado on him. I release him, and the lich is now too far to cast on me, and just follows me obediently back to my PT to be slaughtered. Buncie's a good avatar - he can take the initial spell, whether it is an AOE, an ancient spell, or a poison dot. But it doesn't matter because I as the puller retain sneak, and the lich is too far to cast on me.

Trust me this is a MUCH better way than pulling with cure in this camp. You run the risk of pulling useless tomb wolves which can AOE disease your PT, give crap exp, and take away from lich killing time.

Oh, and we were pulling from the southern hallway in the glacier side of eldeime - the pulls were too long if camping at the entrance. You could pull all 8 lich spawns from here, but need to travel past Ka and wolves to get to them. Stoneskinga really made the AOEs a joke, even at 48-49.

[Cedric]

You lose sneak if you cast cure on a monster and deal damage, same goes for using a summon attack-order if I'm not mistaken.[might have been changed]

[Deedlit]

Originally posted by Cedric
You lose sneak if you cast cure on a monster and deal damage, same goes for using a summon attack-order if I'm not mistaken.[might have been changed]

You dont lose sneak for making your avatar assault, or any other order.

[Condor85]

Celeras... if you do'nt do that then your stupider than anybody can give you credit for... just pulling from nearby liches means waiting.... lots and lots of waiting... we can kill liches in about 45sec - 1 min with no downtime


sure, 3-4 spawn nearby... so wut? that still means a few min of waiting till we can pull more....




and yes... cure pulls suck, you get agro all the time


and yes, carbuncle rocks, you don't loose sneak and you can safely pull anywhere without your party shaking in their boots.

i got complements from every single person in my parties i brought, they used to think liches were hell, but with carbuncle, its no so bad

[Condor85]

Deedlit = smart one at least he knows where i'm comming from.


im' guessing all you replying got some high lvl to do it for you in 30 min


i've had over 30 hours of experience on these freakin liches... i think i know a little more, lol - a hate my bad lot luck :mad:



anyway, you can't wait till i get hit with quake? pff... 30 second cast time.. ya, uh huh... the lich either casts it on carbuncle like a loser or comes to our group and tries to pull that stunt.. which i stun - win win situation either way.

[Cedric]

More like gathered an alliance and ran through eldieme for 3 days trying to get multiple papers. SO much fun. :sweat: