Na Drk : Pwned

[Funguwari]

Originally posted by Corin Gedaliah
Well, I do agree that this topic's been beaten to death, so I won't continue in derailing this thread :/. I just have one final question.

Why is just calling them "idiots" too hard for people to handle?

Maybe "idiot" isn't cool anymore, and they have to say "NA".

Just the way, "lol" isn't cool anymore, and you have to say, "orz," or "w" to be cool, because if you don't... you're a "uncouth pig." ...At least that's what this one kid said to me.

[Funguwari]

Originally posted by Vinen


Now this I agree with. It seems that a large chunk of NA release players refuse to learn how to play the game correctly. They seem more hell-bent on arguing over weather to lot or not then what skill chain will be best for the group.

Its to the point where I cant even level another job, because well I cant play during JP hours now ( Full Time job :mad: ) and I sure the hell as don’t want to be at the mercy of a bunch of idiots in Valkrum, Yhutunga/Yhoater(I cant stand when people refer to these zones as "Kazham"), CN, GC, etc.... Actually, until level 72 when I joined up with my now Set PT I would log in at like 6am in the morning in order to xp before my classes started, with JP players.

Not to mention, another thing I’m sick of is people who are so hell-bent on getting their "advanced job" and this in turn gimps groups with their piss poor equipment and sub jobs. I mean In VK I saw a (insert swear here) level 17 warrior wearing bronze amour.

Most off all, although I believe it probably does happen. I’ve never personally ever seen a JP Player BEG. I think I have over 50 people in my ignore list because they sent me tells begging for money. Even better are the people who are what level 50 and feel it’s my job to solo there Genkai 1 drops. I had some NA player yell at me because I was refusing to aid him with his drops (I was grouped and in Den of Rancor helping some friends with Zilart 4....).

So, now as I look at it I kind of agree with Nodachi.

I agree, I'm sick of the "d00d i juss wanna get my drg so i dunt need good armor i juss gonna wear my bronze armor till 30 liek omg". And yes, I no longer Lv jobs for fun because I can't take these morons. And yes, I see more NAs beg for cash, and I also seen all that stuff you said, I totally agree, I know where you're comming from, I have seen one or two JPs that, (now, I'm not going to say, "reminded me of NA" 'cause that would be unfair, and mean) but I will say, "were n00bs".

But, it's not fair I get stereotyped and looked down upon because of those Yuhtunga Jungle n00bs and before I even play and get down to buisness, before people see my equips, I automatically get /tells behind my back saying, "he's NA, watch out, he might n00b it up" (yes, this was MT'd once.) I DO NOT play like those n00bs, and I should not be stereotyped before I start playing as just a "NA n00b". It's not fair, I do not play like them, but I'm stereotyped to have the same mentalility of these people.

That is not fair.

So, I agree those people are NA, and they're n00bs, but it's not fair to call all of NA n00bs, or, if someone, JP, Zibobwe (lol Nodachi) is playing n00b, to call them NA, which says, "you play just like those 'NA' the 'NA who make me despise low Lv's'."

I hope you understand.

[Xccoortri]

Originally posted by Mephisto
I dont wanna start this arguement again, but be honest, how many GOOD American players do you find in places like Kazham? Less than one in ten. That's why NA=noob. I'm not trying to insult you, it's just that NA players generally aren't too good (or as good as jp), ecspecially in lower level areas. Yes, it's justified- because they haven't played too long, but that doesn't change the fact that they suck.



EDIT: Is it ok to call a new player a n00b? if you're telling me that n00bs suck, does that mean any level 5 no SJ character I find will suck? I recently made a new character, and I had lizzy boots at lv7, so making a generalization that all "n00bs" suck, isnt correct either.

Why does it surprise you that someone in a low level area, with a low level character isn't a pro? THEY ARE NEW TO THE GAME. Give them a break and stop being a biggot.

[Argos]

i have to admit, sometimes when non NA's refuse to party with me and my group due to NA players i can get upset, but i dont care too much. I really respect the non nas on my server, and hope that im doing all i can to become up to standards. i do really hate idiotic NA's, there are quite a few of them on my server, you can always tell too when someone is named something like, Butternilpes, or Nuckinfuts. and sometimes playing with a SMN/WAR galka in VD who refuses to do anything but melee due to his WAR sub, can get very annoying. My point is, while some of us NA's are very ignorant, some of us actually respect others, and hope to improve ourselves in every way possible.

[Straden]

i probably said this more than couple times, but i have to say again

NA = Noob Alliance.

and yes good portion of NA are clueless and retards, esp. before lvl 60s. After certain lvl, let's just say maybe hmm 50s, retards tend to learn that they need to do skillchains and eat the freakin food for PT.

[Regulat0r]

Will you prejudice bastards just shut the hell up already... Stop idolizing japanese like there some type of gods because there not.

[Nameless]

Originally posted by Nodachi
I too don't wish to continue this topic as it's been discussed numerous times. But "NA" will never realize why it is they are dubd NA i've decided so i won't bother trying to explain.

I've never used a Great Sword as a WAR, you're right, I never will understand , also, a JP WAR I partied with in Valk while leveling a job for fun was using a mix between leather, brass, and scale and used a 2 hand sword. Oh the irony. (he got us all killed by the way, he never provoked).

And, Mephisto, by your definition, you suck too.

[Nameless]

Originally posted by Funguwari


Maybe "idiot" isn't cool anymore, and they have to say "NA".

Just the way, "lol" isn't cool anymore, and you have to say, "orz," or "w" to be cool, because if you don't... you're a "uncouth pig." ...At least that's what this one kid said to me.

But c'mon, using orz and w is cool and original!

[itazura]

poor noda. /comfort

how about you stop calling us "elitist importers", and we stop using the term "NA" in a bad way.

....doesn't seem like it's gonna happen... why even argue it...
seems like you NORTH AMERICAN's just like to start conflict. (-_- Noda was only using the term ever EN player i know uses.

i'd like to add orz is a short version for 〇|￣|_ or m(_ _)m started by JAPANESE PLAYERS. it's their thing. along with 'w', which is their version of 'lol'.... now you just seem sort of racist.
no one is trying to "be cool" or whatever... we're just using what we use everyday because that is what we're used to, what have been used to for quite some time. the majority of us spoke/played with only japanese players for over a year before the north american version was even released. it was never in the past thrown back at us in a way such as that, only after north american release.... hell, i could say the same for you; 'using LOL is quite original.. isn't it...?' (-_-.. how dumb does that sound? very.

Originally posted by Regulat0r
Will you prejudice bastards just shut the hell up already... Stop idolizing japanese like there some type of gods because there not.

that was the most racist thing i've ever seen posted on these boards.

this is all quite offensive and should proooobably be closed my a mod..................................

[DrSerpico]

About that NA drk thing.

Coming back to the original thing, I'd finally like to add, we all have to deal with people not having a clue about how to be effective.

I do my part, so I try to explain and such, but sometimes, you just get soooo damn frustrated.

I'm about to show you 2 perfect examples of what ppl mean when they misleadingly say NA drk, when they mean Unexperienced Drk. (Or Unskilled Drk).



Here, I joined a PT for mission 11, bc fight vs Archlich Taber'Quan, which ended in disaster, due to the drk using spinning scythe on the mobs SLEPT by our BRD. Brd goes to died, all skellies rush us down, game over.





This is my main beef with drks. The pathetic WASTE of their jobabilities. This is the reason why many dark knights make the job look bad. I HATE THIS! :mad:

"Uh, I don't want to use all my damage enhancing abilities over time to add thousands of damage. I want to do them all at once to make ONE ws get high damage numbers, then waste whms MP and cancel all abilities fast as heck. Omg drk is so cool wow!"

[Sidenote is that instead of adding about 600-1k dmg without taking a beating, he stacked them all even after me trying to reason, and got his distortionstarting power slash up to a whopping 29x dmg. Way to go.]

[Mephisto]

About accusing the importers on "trying to be cool" and using orz, w, and that stuff.

If you played this game for like 1 year (before NA release), playing with all importers and jp, dont you think you'd start to say "w" and "orz"? Hell, just from being in ONE ls that has some importers, I've said w instead of lol, and I didnt even notice. It's not like "I am importer and I am cooler" (except for some of you ) , it's that they played so long with these people, and that's just how they were used to talkign.

At least that is MY take on it, I could be wrong.:sweat:

[DrSerpico]

Shameless extra posting.

And here, I found it. A snippet of the dreaded "na drk stack".

It seems as the larger part of the european and american players use this for some weird reason.
There are exceptions, I know. Be glad there are, and don't take offense if you don't do this, but ADMIT that far to many do it to say "just a few"

In some way, it reflects the difference in cultures, more than "jp are godlike superserious powergames with zenlike skill" and "na sux, they go exping in sorrow valley with bronze gear omg woot rick james gah!"

Japanese look at the whole a bit more, and are very patient while NA and Eu players are more: Let's just pick some random melee, hope he's ok, and GO GO GO!
(staying in town with a good "base" for a pt for 1hr+ isn't unheard of, I've stayed with jp that long)


America is more of "big is better", and hence the stack, big numbers HAVE to be good. This is why many jp play mnk for dmg instead of drk. Granted, mnk come close second to drk, but damage is more stable over time.


Blah, this should probably be on a livejournal or something, but I'm to lazy to make one. Go figure. If I have offended someone, remember that what I say isn't set in stone, it's just how I view things, my own reflections. Open to debate. Like if this was a...
hmmm...

Forum? ~('-'*)


Yah right, the picture:


Also note the loveable battlespam, and that berserk AND last resort are macroed together... (-_-

[Kiyone]

Honestly, the difference between calling NA NA and calling NA English is so ridiculously small that this really isn't worth arguing over. =\

People choose to call who they want what they want. That's their decision. Don't go telling other people what to say just because you think it's stereotyped. Somehow, I don't see anyone losing sleep from being called a NA player instead of... whatever, an English player, a player, a person sitting in front of a screen.

There are a lot of good players that play States side of the Pacific, and there are a lot of good players in 日本. However, the overall player skill of Japan tends to outweigh the overall playskill of NA. Heck, I know I tend to play with JP players because I feel they focus more when they play. They aren't doing 50 other things while playing, and they usually know how to play their job efficiently. This isn't to say that I don't party with NA players. There are a lot of great NA players I'd love to play with too.

Case in point: Get over it. It's not like being called a NA player is false. Most of us are. So what's the point in making such a big fuss about it. You know what you can do. If you know you aren't "noob" then why the heck does it bother you to begin with?

In reply to the last message, and being on topic :angel:

That DRK needs to evaluate his procedures.

[Osaka]

Unfortunately~

Unfortunately the thread has gone too far off topic. The topic of NA being a bad term has been debated heatedly for quite some time on the boards and does not need to be brought into other threads. If you wish to debate the whole nOOb, NA, EN, JP stereotyping again, start a new thread where it is appropriate. I assure you, you will not be without replies. Ganbare~!!

Osaka~