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  • #16
    Re: BLM as a first

    Originally posted by Mog View Post
    You'll want both white mage and red mage subs. Each have their own uses.
    A number of soloing strategies also rely on /NIN being available. Something to keep in mind depending on how far one intends on taking BLM.
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    • #17
      Re: BLM as a first

      I learned my lesson with that after hours and hours of next to zero progress in Lower Delkfutt's Tower ;_;

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      • #18
        Re: BLM as a first

        Originally posted by Mhurron View Post
        A number of soloing strategies also rely on /NIN being available. Something to keep in mind depending on how far one intends on taking BLM.
        Very true. /nin is also great to have for certain endgame situations, as well as soloing.
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        • #19
          Re: BLM as a first

          Is /BLM good for the SMN job?

          I plan on working my way up with BLM then leveling RDM to play as BLM/RDM until I can get the SMN job. I realize it's my own choice, but would anyone strongly disagree with this plan? The reason I mention subbing with /RDM instead of /WHM is simply because I would probably enjoy it all as a debuff-type build.

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          • #20
            Re: BLM as a first

            You don't really see SMN subbing anything but WHM. As far as I know, the extra INT does nothing for Blood Pacts, and the only useful thing you'd get out of BLM sub is the extra MP. At least with WHM sub you'd get cure spells, and SMNs make excellent backup healers.

            I'm not sure if SCH has become a regularly used sub for SMN yet. I don't really know that many Summoners.
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            • #21
              Re: BLM as a first

              Originally posted by Aksannyi
              "...the only useful thing you'd get out of BLM sub is the extra MP."
              But wouldn't I get attack magic subbing SMN with BLM?
              That wouldn't be useful?

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              • #22
                Re: BLM as a first

                Yes you'd have them, but subbed, not they're not really useful. You'd get heavy resists because SMN has no natural Elemental Magic skill. And if you're trying to DoT mobs with your avatars, MP usage is such that you wouldn't want to spend it on half-assed nukes anyway.

                Cures, on the other hand, don't work that way. You don't have to have a high rated skill in curing for your cures to heal effectively. It's pretty stupid, to be honest, but SE has never nerfed cures and so a lot of jobs (like Summoner) are expected to sub WHM and main heal because it's almost as good, and almost = good enough in this case.
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                • #23
                  Re: BLM as a first

                  Ah. So, because SMN has no "Elemental" in the Magic Skill list the attack power of the BLM's Ele spells are nerfed? That's just plain silly.
                  o:

                  And, what exactly does DoT mean?
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                  • #24
                    Re: BLM as a first

                    Damage Over Time.

                    Just another way of saying "DD" which is Damage Dealing.

                    And the nerf is hard to explain, really, but every job has native skills. A BLM can get over 300 Elemental Magic skill with merits and gear, but using BLM as a subjob for a job with no native Ele. Skill, you get like ... 135 or something. I'd have to look it up. Skill doesn't necessarily weaken power, (other stats do) but skill determines your resist rate. The higher the skill, the lesser the chance for a resist. (Resist can mean that you put out half or a quarter of the damage you would have if you didn't resist.) So using SMN/BLM and casting Thunder on a mob would not only do poor damage if you weren't geared for nuking, but it would also potentially resist, making it not at all worth the MP used to cast it.

                    I hope all this makes sense, but that's how skills work in this game, in a nutshell.
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                    • #25
                      Re: BLM as a first

                      It does make sense...
                      Maybe SMN isn't the way to go for me...
                      I'm definitely not very interested in WHM and/or taking care of others.
                      x3 . . . As bad as that might make me seem.

                      At any rate, I'm having alot of fun playing a BLM.
                      I was in my first PT last night ( until 4 am @_@ ) and had a blast...
                      Even met some people I can play with in the future.

                      And, I appreciate you taking the time to help me understand some of the mechanics.
                      : D

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                      • #26
                        Re: BLM as a first

                        Originally posted by Tinks View Post
                        I'm definitely not very interested in WHM and/or taking care of others.
                        If you're not interested in taking care of others, RDM is likely going to disappoint you as well. If you have a dedicated healer in the party with you, you'll get to debuff and nuke and back-up heal to varying degrees. But you're going to be playing a full support/healing role just as often, which is more true the farther you go.

                        There really isn't a viable subjob for BLM that keeps you from doing any support. At least, not before the extra jobs at 30. Once you get your subjob, you're going to have cures and buffs, and you're going to be called on to use them.
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                        • #27
                          Re: BLM as a first

                          Please do NOT be a blm that thinks nuking is all they do. It's not. You need to help in any form thats needed and sometimes that takes the form of cures, regen, protect/protectra, shell/shellra, paralyna/poisona/etc. It's part of the job and, imo, it makes it more fun and interesting. Usually the only people I know that are just nuking as blms, are the ones also watching tv, playing DS, etc instead of playing the game. They are a liability and not an asset.
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                          • #28
                            Re: BLM as a first

                            I didn't think I would like healing that much, either, tbh, but I started leveling WHM and I really ended up liking it. So much, in fact, that it became my main.
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                            • #29
                              Re: BLM as a first

                              So, in short my job in a PT as a BLM is Debuffs/Support coupled with DD...
                              But, in later levels, More support kicks in?

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                              • #30
                                Re: BLM as a first

                                More soloing kicks in.

                                And for 37 levels you'll kinda have to put aside that aversion to healing, WHM will be one of your subjobs.
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