Proposal: FFXI Graphic Update Colaberation

[Yossar]

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I highly doubt that S-E would change it, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done for the PC players, anyway. Ever since this section of ffxionline.com was created it has grown, grabbing more and more skin editors. We should pool all of our talents and create something grand.

[Pai Pai Master]

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I highly disagree with trying to "present" this to Square Enix. You could get yourselves, and many others, in a lot of trouble.

However, if kept on the downlow, it's a great idea. I'd love to see it in action, so good luck!

[ruffrydasean]

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I'd try it out if you guys did it ^^... good luck (o.o)b

[Xhaztol]

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I'd try it too. I'll also get onboard, that is, if we could do the project over a different medium than these forums, such as AIM or something, and I could be taught how to use the programs involved.

[Hyrist]

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I highly disagree with trying to "present" this to Square Enix. You could get yourselves, and many others, in a lot of trouble.

However, if kept on the downlow, it's a great idea. I'd love to see it in action, so good luck!

I'll still ask the question, but I am beginning to agree with the public opinion here. What we could do is create the whole project in a Zip File along with a comprehensive guide how to upload it both to PC and PS2's HDD using your PC. That will satasfy my personal desire to make it available to as many as possible.

[Monet]

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If we get a substantial amount of remakes and present our ideas, SE won't care. The only thing questionable to me is whether they'll use the ideas or not. I highly doubt that they would take action against anyone, and if they did -or wanted to- the submission can easily be made anonymous. Thats why I volunteered. I think we have a great idea going. We just need to organize a workforce and give everyone a piece to work on, along with an area where we can colaborate ideas for those pieces. If we are going to take this seriously, we can't be working from forums on Online.

[Chio]

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Does anyone fail to see that this game was originally released on the PS2? Everything about this game was more or less geared for that release. Not to mention FFXI is what? 3 going on 4 years now? Kinda old by game standards, no?

Why spend time and effort updating old stuff when you could be busy adding new content ESPECIALLY when there are people who are starting to have multiple LV 75 jobs. Probably have done all the quests/missions and all that is left is trying to get a better advantage to tag that HMN some where.

More so is the fact that if they had to load more graphics into the game...man...I don't even want to think about lag time. Its hard enough with the palette they have now. It would slow things down even more. Everyone wants their shiney Dragoon armor in different colors, I want to walk in to Jueno without 5fps while everyone's "boring" armor is loading.

[Tygleris]

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Except it come out for PC first. I dunno about the release dates in Japan, but the game came out for PC 5 months before PS2 in the US, and I dont' see any reasoning that would have them release it on PS2 first in Japan and then PC first in US.

Also, just because some people have their multiple 75 jobs doesn't mean other people are never going to go back down to the low levels to try out a new job. I mean why would I ever want to go try out SMN when I have jobs that are higher leveled, that's just ludicrous.

And finally, he's not talking about better, more detailed graphics. He means new updated .dats to replace the current ones. There won't be more files, just different ones, that way the sucky files like scale male and lizard armor will still be interesting to look at when we have our shiny AF armors in our moghouses that we could be looking at.

Now finally, to Hyrist.

Don't get me wrong. I sorta gave off the wrong idea when I said what I did. I am all for having armors more customized to race, I'm just saying I don't think that was the intention. As to your story, the artifact armors weren't just "made" for the people of the job. It's legendary armor made by a particular smith. If we went by logic, there would only be one set of AF armor for each job. Anyways, the various pieces all have different stories behind them. They aren't just things manufactured in the different nations, they are crafted by the specific artison so he would naturally make things the same.

[Caspian]

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PS2 first in Japan.
Like hyrist said, wouldnt take any longer to load b/c the files would be pretty close to the same size and you wouldnt be loading any more files than you would otherwise. There's a separate .dat for every race and gender alrdy. There's 8 .dats for every lizard jerkin. The female's boobs arent part of the body that the clothing goes over. Its written in that a female uses the .dat that has boobs alrdy on it.

[Pai Pai Master]

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Final Fantasy XI is a Playstation 2 game. What you play on the PC is a port. It was originally intended to look, feel and play exactly like the Playstation 2 version it was made from, although that may change if Square Enix decides to update the PC version to fit better with the Xbox360's quality.

It was released in Japan for the Playstation 2 on March 16th, 2002. A PC release later followed that November. Although the US releases are irrelevant to Chio's point, the game was released first on PC in North America because of Sony's shoddy decision-making and support for their own HDD peripheral, now defunct because of that same poor support from Sony. Simply because North America received the PC version of the game first does not mean that people should blatantly disregard that it is in fact a Playstation 2 game which can and will be limited by the PS2's now dated technology.

I'm not certain what repurcussions would follow after loading this updated package of data onto a PS2 system's Hard Drive, but it would be wise to take into consideration both the limited hard drive space of the PS2 and the limited processing memory. The game already suffers from a rather low framerate when one is simply walking around Jeuno. Would it really be wise to attempt to push it further with newer, more detailed models?

[Hyrist]

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Would it really be wise to attempt to push it further with newer, more detailed models?

We can test that for ouselves before we make such a releace. If no one else is willing to try, My PS2 contains a HDD and FFXI on it, my fiance plays on that when I am on the computer. I'm more than willing to aplha/beta test the changes in the game to make sure it is safe for use.

I should say that my computer actually has less preforamnce cappiblity than my PS2 and has been runing edits fine for a good time now. Asside from Sony's Personal Hard Drive format, the FFXI file system for PS2 and PC are identicle. I dont forsee any difficulty by actually making the swaps, asside from the innial problem of actually getting the files loaded in. We do have a guide posted about that already in these forums, yes?

They aren't just things manufactured in the different nations, they are crafted by the specific artison so he would naturally make things the same.

Pardon me for taking the devils advocate here:

Although it would be nice to say that there was one artisin that make each AF equipment, it dosent coinside with the storyline. Out of the peices of AF I have gotten; 1 was repaired from the Artisan's ghost, 2 were given to me by a ghost who protrayed no relation to the artisin other that he wore Full AF. 2 from coffers in vastly differnt locations.

Now one could say that it was all peices of the same armor set, spread throught the world through time. Except for the actual glove quest which gives evidence to the contrary.

The Galka that gives the quest speaks of a master armor, who was rumored to make Artifact Gloves for all the jobs. No mention of any other peice of armor being created by this master armorer are made in any quest. This man just made the gloves.

Furthermore, the Testominies which drop off beastmen seem to dictate that there was a former socidty which gave reconition to people of a certain job who excelled. This leads me to beleive that in more aincent times, things like AF were more common equipment, to have to receive a certificate of reconision amoung their peers.

This sort of thing encouranges the logic in beleiving that there was more than one artisin of Artifact Armor. Which in turn would encourage the idea that differnt artisins would cater to their own race via their own style.

It may very well be that there was only one set of AF per job in the storyline, but I would like to beleive that it was more common in the past, as how I have perceived the evidence in the research I have done. Either or, I still think it would be a good thing to create a little extra unique flare in the AF's per race. It will help breath new life into the game. And thank you for the support. ^^

[Tygleris]

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>.> Again, I wasn't specific enough. I've only been through a few AF quests with only one job so I don't know everything, but what I mean to say is... those AF gloves are all made by the same armor smith. He isn't going to build them differently because he is not suddenly brought up like a San D'orian when making an elvaan pair of gloves, and then suddenly changes to being a Windurstian when he makes a pair of gloves for a mithra. The indevidual pieces of such go to different craftsmen, but the same man/woman makes all the warrior's gloves so he would probably not deviate from the build, other than to make it fit on each races hands comfortably.

Though there could always be someone who takes building armor as more of an art form, and has traveled a lot, who would make each piece different to try and reflect the significance of their nationality... but that works against my entire point, so I'll conveniently not mention that...

[Alucath]

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I'll still ask the question, but I am beginning to agree with the public opinion here. What we could do is create the whole project in a Zip File along with a comprehensive guide how to upload it both to PC and PS2's HDD using your PC. That will satasfy my personal desire to make it available to as many as possible.

This is a lot better, for me, because I personally enjoy the current AF set especially. If suddenly, they changed them at all (much less changed them depending on the race) I would be rather distressed. Sorry, even if you enjoy it, I would feel like an outside group is trying to customize my territory for them. Oh well . Good luck on your endeavors, however.

[Hyrist]

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Well the sumission would be to sugest an optional change, like somthing you could download from the PoL Viewer from the wallpapper. Section or somthing. That was my idea from the start anyways.

Anways. I talke dto a GM about it in the middle of a GM call late yesterday night / early this morning.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...007/GMtalk.jpg

See for yourself what he had to say. I'll be asking the help desk sometime today or tomarrow.

[Monet]

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narc >.>


lmao...j/k...